I think it's great that Firefox is finally doing more to combat fingerprinting. For a long time, they lagged a bit behind Brave in this regard. That said, unfortunately, neither browser has been able to do anything about Cloudflare Turnstile yet. Kagi, for example, uses it to fingerprint users.
There's a third option: allow bots and give them access as efficiently as possible.
As Reddit's API used to.
Don't want to? Tough, they'll do it the hard way and put more load on your servers and your countermeasures will drive away more humans than bots.
Of course our current bot plague doesn't understand this and seems to be optimizing for maximum server load, which is still bad.
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I'd like to have some of the APIs that read the data used to fingerprint browsers be behind a confirmation dialog per site similar to allowing popups or microphone/video access.
> Oh, I see that you'd like to read the canvas pixel data, let me check if that's okay with the user first.
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HTML5 canvas data access has been behind such a permission dialog on Firefox (at least on desktop) for a long time now.
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I'm on desktop Firefox v160.0 and I've never seen a permission dialog like that and under settings I see:
Permissions
Manage what websites can access, control, or trigger.
Location
Camera
Device apps and services
Local network devices
Microphone
Speaker
Notifications
Autoplay
Virtual reality
None of those seem to be for accessing canvas data.
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Too bad they still generate a random unique ID for each installed extension that can expose a trackable UUID...
One caveat I’ve experienced with Firefox branches that focus on privacy is I get “punished” with captchas from hell because I refuse to let websites siphon and prey on every last bit of private info. Hopefully this doesn’t succumb to the same issue.
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Why do you want to use services that use such captchas? It’s like going to a club and complaining about the door policy. Don’t go if you don’t like it.
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Thanks for reminding me that Elon Musk got rejected from Berghain.
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Am I the only expecting it to completely break the sites behind cloudflare on Firefox?
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Unless I'm misreading the post mentions that the most recent change was added to version 145 which released last year. Personally I haven't had any issues with cloudflare as a firefox user since then with strict mode enabled.
Surveillance fingerprinting will only end with major changes to the web.
If you are among those capable of 3rd order thinking or even just 2nd order thinking, and consider what kind of world you want to live in, you may already know that these changes must happen, even if that means the functional web is bifurcated for a while.
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Are you talking about a return to a web of one-to-one connections, no broadcasts?
Actually the problem isn't broadcasts but reverse broadcasts. A broadcast sends one signal to all interested listeners - the problematic mode of the web is one listener getting all interested signals, which allows spam and propaganda (which are the same thing) to flood that set. Is there a word for this reverse broadcasting idea?
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Maybe you can use your second-order thinking to consider how people might react to a sentence that starts “if you are among those capable of 3rd order thinking.”
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Sorry to hear about your 3rd order thinking (or lack thereof, more specifically).
(I do work at Mozilla but not on any of this.)
As Reddit's API used to.
Don't want to? Tough, they'll do it the hard way and put more load on your servers and your countermeasures will drive away more humans than bots.
Of course our current bot plague doesn't understand this and seems to be optimizing for maximum server load, which is still bad.
> Oh, I see that you'd like to read the canvas pixel data, let me check if that's okay with the user first.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1717671
It links to this post when talking about it: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/fingerprinting-protectio...
If you are among those capable of 3rd order thinking or even just 2nd order thinking, and consider what kind of world you want to live in, you may already know that these changes must happen, even if that means the functional web is bifurcated for a while.
Actually the problem isn't broadcasts but reverse broadcasts. A broadcast sends one signal to all interested listeners - the problematic mode of the web is one listener getting all interested signals, which allows spam and propaganda (which are the same thing) to flood that set. Is there a word for this reverse broadcasting idea?