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Debian apt security update (man-in-the-middle)

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justicz [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I found this! I posted a semi-click-bait-ey tweet about it here [0], I think it’s important for people know how easy these bugs are to find now. It’s becoming borderline irresponsible not to audit your internet-facing code with modern AI tools.

[0] https://x.com/just1cz/status/2118009777922228361

vesinisa [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Looks like you also found a similarly critical apt bug in 2019: https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2019/msg00...

Do you think there might be even more still lurking out there?

justicz [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I do. I think that security-critical but overly complex software like this should be rewritten and certain aspects of it formally verified, since such things are now practical.
sczi [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Nice work! A similar vulnerability in 2019 also found by you included the recommendation to update with:

  apt -o Acquire::http::AllowRedirect=false update
  apt -o Acquire::http::AllowRedirect=false upgrade
Since this also involves redirects, would that protect users while updating apt for this one also?
justicz [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That sounds right to me, but FYI the APT maintainers themselves are recommending Acquire::Retries=0 as the mitigation since some mirrors might actually have redirects.
justicz [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Speaking of which… if any of y’all work on security at OpenAI I have some questions for you about Daybreak! Please email me
hollow-moe [3 hidden]5 mins ago
But how do I update apt if apt is untrustable until fixed ? Good ol' .deb scp'd in dpkg'd.
thewisenerd [3 hidden]5 mins ago
8organicbits [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I feel like they should release manual update instructions since the update mechanism is vulnerable. Although I see my systems already updated via unattended upgrades.

edit: On lobste.rs I see a recommendation for `apt download`: https://lobste.rs/s/h7bvma/man_middle_arbitrary_code_executi...

SoftTalker [3 hidden]5 mins ago
How would an attacker inject a redirect into an apt package download?
mikepurvis [3 hidden]5 mins ago
MITM on the network, I guess like DNS takeover or the like.

So you pass through the upstream headers but then simulate a failure/resume and supply different contents for the resumed download.

SoftTalker [3 hidden]5 mins ago
So apt doesn't verify signatures on what is actually downloaded?
dinosaurdynasty [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> Improper file handling when resuming an HTTP download allows a man-in-the-middle attacker to replace a package after verification

from the OP

APT can use HTTPS, but often doesn't, making a MITM attack easier (also the idea for a long time has been signatures are enough, and/or TLS certs used to be a lot harder to get, but at this point you should really be using both).

thayne [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Https doesn't help with this if the MitM is the apt mirror you are using.

One reason http is still used is because you need an independent signature anyway since it is common to use mirrors that don't have the same level of trust as the debian maintainers

SoftTalker [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Still doesn't make sense to me. So package A is downloaded, signature verified, then package B is downloaded, but somehow the package A file is replaced? Is it something like that?
tosti [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The somehow is package B has the same filename as package A.
ChrisArchitect [3 hidden]5 mins ago
opengrass [3 hidden]5 mins ago
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klez [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'm pretty sure apt is written in C++. Am I remembering wrong?
Palomides [3 hidden]5 mins ago
parts of apt are being redone in rust, but anyway this seems to be a logic bug (in c++ code)