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A font recreated from photographs of classic Commodore 64 keycaps

363 points by sohkamyung - 61 comments
jankhg [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This reminds me of this beautifully written article about the font Gorton.

https://aresluna.org/the-hardest-working-font-in-manhattan/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49201953

abrookewood [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Very cool! Hope you like this one ... about a font carved into a tree!!

https://bjoernkarmann.dk/project/occlution_grotesque

jankhg [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Wow, I like the idea and how this was used as a photography arts project. Also, I think this idea could be transferred to other materials, such as iron, or ice.
Forgeties79 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That’s really neat. Interesting watching them grow sideways
mxfh [3 hidden]5 mins ago
in the further reading there is also a list with a number of recreations of related digitzed routed fonts: https://aresluna.org/the-hardest-working-font-in-manhattan/r...
gxs [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Thank you! Great article, better than the actual submission I came for, super interesting and a pleasure to read
mock-possum [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Thanks for sharing, wonderful article! Makes me wonder what using a bitmap Gorton in terminal would feel like… maybe I’ll try it today.
tniemi [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Sharlin [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Perhaps best known for being the basis for Eurostile, a staple of SF movie typography.
queenkjuul [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Microgramma and Eurostile are all time classics. I have so many old electronics that used them on the control panels.

There's an open source font QTEurotype that does an excellent approximation that I've been using in a recent project

badc0ffee [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The PET models used this as well.
bay_baobab_ii [3 hidden]5 mins ago
8BitDo made a modern mechanical keyboard that looks like a C64. I got one and I am loving it. https://www.8bitdo.com/retro-mechanical-keyboard-c64/
stronglikedan [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Plus one for having all the keys in the correct locations!

How does it feel and sound?

yifanl [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's quite hollow and plasticky on the inside. This is not a bad thing nor a mark of cheapness, but it sounds very roomy and echo-y for a keyboard, so if you like the sound of the clacking on a keyboard, it's quite amplified by the board.

I wasn't around to use an actual C64 to compare the sound against that, but I suspect it's an intentional choice as a retro keyboard to mark itself apart from the foamy modern keyboards that tend to dampen the keyboard.

whilenot-dev [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Had one too, it's rather on the loud side of clicking and the build quality is great.
petecooper [3 hidden]5 mins ago
BearOso [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The S is misproportioned. M should have the middle go all the way to the baseline. The middle stems on 3 and 4 are too long and too short. The punctuation is all different sizes. This is just me glancing at the normalized comparison image. It's really obvious.
petecooper [3 hidden]5 mins ago
>It's really obvious.

I'm not disputing that -- the approach of the issue OP was what irked me.

ryandrake [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Yea, it's as if the OP went out of his way to make the feedback both insulting and non-constructive / unhelpful.

Imagine being at work in a professional job and filing a bug like that to a coworker. Totally inappropriate.

cmrdporcupine [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Some people get this way the moment they get a whiff you've touched an LLM. Like, beyond rude.

Frankly, it's usually just gatekeeping (or just being threatened) hiding behind some moral system they just assume you should share with them.

kalleboo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's an asshole issue, but at the same time the AI that did the work isn't going to have it's feelings hurt.
ricardobeat [3 hidden]5 mins ago
What a confused comment.

"There is no RETURN, SHIFT...", "Too many F keys". They are confusing a typeface with trying to replicate the keyboard keys.

The arrows are not the cursor keys, but based on the ESC key.

They are right about the @ character though, it looks quite wonky.

dylan604 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Why would keys with full words like shift/return/etc be useful in creating a font. Basic comprehension skills are at a loss for this user. The issue comment should have ended with the first sentence. However, could the keys with full words have been used to provide clues on kerning or other spacing to use when building the font?
Oarch [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Oh gosh, this is really rather nice.
unD [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I haven't read "Press play on tape" in decades!
Sharlin [3 hidden]5 mins ago
There was a band named PRESS PLAY ON TAPE (stylized in all caps, of course) playing SID covers and similar stuff that I saw performing a couple of times back in the 00s/10s. Actually, looks like they’re still active at least to some extent: https://pressplayontape.com/
Loughla [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It really is though. Very clean.
epcoa [3 hidden]5 mins ago
More AI slop.
dar5hak [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If creatively expanded to more characters, this would make a pretty nice coding font.
gwbas1c [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The special characters / punctuation are not aligned. The !#$% characters either float too high or need to be a little bigger.

(Yes, I copied the image from the page into Paint and drew a line)

sombragris [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Looks nice. The C-64 had an excellent keyboard typeface

I think peak keycaps font were the ones used in the Epson QX-10, Epson HX-20, Tandy 100, and the common C-64.

zooweemama [3 hidden]5 mins ago
We need one for the ZX Spectrum too!
stevekemp [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You can find a Speccy font here:

https://www.dafont.com/zx-spectrum.font

orbital-decay [3 hidden]5 mins ago
But what font did the C64 keyboard originally use?
nathell [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Dunno about the original C64 (which is what this attempts to recreate), but the C64C used ITC Avant Garde Gothic Pro Book according to https://github.com/FeralChild64/MechBoard64-keycaps
crustyoldhuman [3 hidden]5 mins ago
thank you so much for this! love how this looks, it's such a clean typeface

EDIT: I kept getting problems downloading it--errors acting like nothing was there. After clicking around on the download links a few times, it eventually made it to my downloads and I got the file. Not sure what's going on there, but just a heads up for anyone else

exitb [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Nice. It never really occurred to me how different these are from 64C keycaps. I guess through our affinity for retro look, the original typeface ended up feeling more modern/current than the newer one.
judetechdevs [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Same, the old one somehow looks newer lol
otikik [3 hidden]5 mins ago
"!" is like half of the size of "?". Even if that's faithful to the keyboard, it is very annoying.
BearOso [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's not faithful. The AI took the original image and assumed the ! was supposed to be elevated like that. This project is low-effort AI generated.

Edit to add: This GitHub user has a over a hundred repositories full of random slop. It's clearly being used to generate activity for a resume or something.

mark-r [3 hidden]5 mins ago
What, no Euro key?

(Yes, I realize the € symbol didn't exist until 1996)

Sharlin [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It’s a very pleasant looking humanist sans. Now I’m wondering about the story of the original typeface – were the glyphs specifically designed for the keyboard? Seems more likely that some existing font was used.
urbnspacecowboy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Good question! I've looked into this a bit myself and I think the best overall match is Akzidenz-Grotesk Condensed, albeit not exact: https://www.myfonts.com/products/condensed-regular-akzidenz-...

The G is different (look at the lower right corner), the 0 (zero) has a slash which looks custom, and the Q is very different (it looks like a letter O with a piece of another O added for the tail).

And yes, since it's the standard comment about fonts, this is a commercial font that costs an arm and a leg.

judetechdevs [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It looks too nice to have been drawn just for keycaps :(
mxfh [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Kind of ambivalent state of things, a research thread to solve that provenance issue to some degree of certainty is always only one prompt away too.
exceptione [3 hidden]5 mins ago
A weird thing: the exclamation mark `!` seems to be elevated from the baseline, judging from the specimen.
petesergeant [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The download links seem broken, does anyone have the TTF?
leptons [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I removed the querystring ?raw=true on the download link, and then clicked "view raw" and that worked.
_joel [3 hidden]5 mins ago
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keyle [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Completely useless comment thank you. And the link is broken in the repo.
nar001 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'm confused, what do you mean? It seems to be in the git repo as it should be? https://github.com/szabadkai/c64-keyboard-font/tree/main/fon...
_joel [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The readme is just a text file, the files are there, it doesn't take a genius to find them.

"How do I download the TTF". Well, use your brain.

madaxe_again [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That isn’t the repo. That’s a readme. It’s there in the repo, it’s just fine.
bodge5000 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
To be fair they are correct, there's a "Download TTF" which seems to be at least partially broken (cmd-click works fine, but just clicking it takes you to an error page), but you are right, the files are there in the repo and download fine.

The readme isn't the first place I'd look for a download link either, but it is there

cringleycringe [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I love AI!
queenkjuul [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This is sweet but i could really live without the Claude commentary in the preview page
amai [3 hidden]5 mins ago
No umlauts?
appstorelottery [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Very nice - thank you!
amelius [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Apple ][ please.

(Actually, I think the Commodore had a better font)