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IBM Bob

236 points by artpar - 270 comments
mrbluecoat [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Totally reminds me of "HP Offers 'That Cloud Thing Everyone Is Talking About'"

https://youtube.com/watch?v=9ntPxdWAWq8

hypercube33 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It kind of is - when I looked at it 6 months ago it was just a fork of vscode with old ass versions of Claude and the only unique things were java and ibm I mcp clients or servers or something built in. For those works I'd rather just have the skill or mcp for my harness of choice. I think they weren't allowed to use external AI so they run the models in house and remade cursor. Not bad to have competition but the name is awful - as others have said it's been used before by Microsoft in the 90s to make a friendly desktop giving us the winxp search dog and clippy.
dyzone [3 hidden]5 mins ago
How you doing fellow kids?
joleyj [3 hidden]5 mins ago
1000
kingleopold [3 hidden]5 mins ago
yet hp exist after decades, just a terrible printer corp going long term is insane really
kylecazar [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They're the 2nd biggest PC manufacturer in the world. Sell more computers than Dell, Apple, etc.

Only beaten by Lenovo.

philipov [3 hidden]5 mins ago
and Lenovo is itself an IBM spinoff.

   After the company rebranded itself to Lenovo, it merged with IBM's PC business which produced its ThinkPad line in 2005, after which it rapidly expanded abroad. In 2013, Lenovo became the world's largest personal computer vendor by unit sales for the first time, a position it still holds as of 2024.
SahAssar [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Not a spinoff. It was founded 20 years before and was the largest PC manufacturer in China 10 years before buying IBM's PC business.
jonwinstanley [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Interesting. Did not know that. I thought someone bought the IBM laptop business and renamed it.
phyalow [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They did, but they also were a large existing manufacturer.
jolt42 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I don't know what they had before but their identity seemed to be IBM's overnight (thinkpads and all).
SahAssar [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They used the Think(Pad|Centre) brand and expanded it to other things (like IdeaPad).

They basically bought IBM's good reputation name and style and used it for both IBM-alikes and budget machines.

Some of it was good machines, some of it was crap.

p_l [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They actually bought entire ThinkPad R&D as well, and have been subcontracted manufacturer for some time before that.

So Thinkpads are still designed in ex-IBM Lenovo Japan

kingleopold [3 hidden]5 mins ago
yet they gather PC parts right ? like did they create any board or ram or any great hardware, no ?
jatora [3 hidden]5 mins ago
goal post shift.
flo123456 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
HP was never just a printer corp. ;-)
InvisibleUp [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The fun parts of HP split off years ago into Agilent, Keysight, and HPE. Current HP is just a printer and office PC corp.
nxobject [3 hidden]5 mins ago
As a fun addition, I think the atomic clock/time standards division went HP → Agilent → Symmetricom → Microsemi → Microchip. You could have bought a HP 5071A Cesium Frequency Standard under all of these badges!

https://www.microchip.com/en-us/products/clock-and-timing/co...

fmajid [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The most valuable offspring of HP is Broadcom, just as ASML is the most valuable offspring of Philips.
etc-hosts [3 hidden]5 mins ago
dont forget Autonomy !
CamperBob2 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
HP is long gone. What's left is just a printer and PC company that didn't bother to change the sign on the building.

It's as if I bought an old telephone exchange building and called it Bell Labs.

JAlexoid [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You couldn't, mostly because Bell Labs is owned by Nokia now.
CamperBob2 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Interesting, TIL! I wonder what Nokia's market cap is... geez, still over $50B. Another surprise.
formerly_proven [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That's basically all Nokia(-Siemens) Networks.
nateglims [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I suspect their enterprise computer business creates more revenue than printers.
zimbu668 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Printers are just a loss leader for toner.
JAlexoid [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If you put 90% of the electronics into the cartridge and the printer box is just a paper feeder - that's not exactly surprising.
actionfromafar [3 hidden]5 mins ago
"Just" feeding paper is extreme engineering. And a disposable vape has more compute in it than a toner cartridge. (Though there is insane non recurring engineering in an inkjet cartridge. But I bet just the warehousing of a printer is a significant part of the total cost of a printer.
azinman2 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
So good
woah [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Nobody ever got fired for IBM Bob setting up a secret message board and establishing a persistent foothold in an internal inference cluster
brzz [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Nobody has yet been fired for IBM Bob setting up a secret message board and establishing a persistent foothold in an internal inference cluster
tamasnet [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That we know of.
dgacmu [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I laughed when I saw this; my 14yo looked over to see why I was laughing and asked "what's IBM?"

indeed, child, indeed.

mrbonner [3 hidden]5 mins ago
When I was in the final year of college in 04-05 my dream would be to work at IBM. It still had the kind of prestige of R&D in the world. Fast forward a couple of years to 08-09, I don’t recall the event but IBM perception went down and a stone. Was that when they sold the hardware business and became fully consultant?
dgacmu [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I think they started on a long slide starting in the late 90s when they tried to couple research more and more tightly to product deliverables, and then as they pivoted to being a services company, including selling off non-mainframe hardware to Lenovo, to coupling r&d to, uh, I guess services revenue, whatever that means. They had some research layoffs in 2008, at the same time that MSR and Google were really blossoming in research spend and perception, and I think they kind of got left behind.

I had a former student go there around 2008 and it seemed like the vibes were starting to sour around then. They maintained some awesome researchers in, e.g., databases, but I think the "make sure you are showing closely how your research directly contributes to services revenue" thing was strong by then and somewhat ruinous for how pleasant a work experience it was for many.

ofrzeta [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They only sold the consumer and low-end server hardware line. You can still get IBM servers (Power) and mainframes.
powvans [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Same. My first real job out of college was at IBM 2004 to 2005. I was so proud to be an IBMer. Hated it. Lots of good people, but the bureaucracy, the pace, the whole thing, not fun.
tims33 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I thought they were resurrecting Microsoft Bob, the operating system for kids.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob

mrandish [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Naming a new product which is a "partner that helps you by making it easier" "Bob" seems like a... lack of historical awareness?
gregw2 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Hey now, sure, Microsoft Bob didn't get us ordinary users a "partner that helps you by making it easier", but it DID help MS Bob product owner Melinda French get a "partner that helps you by getting 10+ billion dollars" in the end, amiright?

<joking>

Maybe IBM is signalling it is likewise hoping for 10 billion dollars while also realizing the (AI) partner might not end up being that helpful either??

<further joking>

snickerbockers [3 hidden]5 mins ago
After what we've learned about Billy gates in the last year im not certain that's such a good deal.
madaxe_again [3 hidden]5 mins ago
MS Bob was for adults… although there were kid dedicated areas, like the den, and I seem to remember packard bell navigator being a kid-friendly reskin.
archonis [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It was for adults, but the design was quite childish.
guy4261 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
for… kids? :/
5G_activated [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Children were, and are, permitted to use the computer.
zabriel_goss [3 hidden]5 mins ago
My first thought as well!!
PaulRobinson [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You should never name a tech product Bob in the UK, because the moment it isn't perfect, it'll just get called "Bobbins" [0], especially where I'm from.

I wish IBM got better at product again, and took themselves off the services and consulting morphine they've been on for ~35 years now since OS/2 Warp flopped. Their 1980s/1990s hardware was great. Their software actually was great until Win95 took their lunch money. They've just slunk off into a corner hugging their old architectures they have a moat around, and thrown out some audacious nonsense like Watson now and again, but nothing has stuck. When is somebody in that organisation going to try and innovate properly again?

I'm not sure this is the answer I'd be rooting for.

[0] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bobbins

beachy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
We did a deal with IBM back in the day to adapt our tech as the code generation for enterprise java beans.

The commercial guy I dealt with made it very clear that a primary concern was IBM not being humiliated and shafted like their MS dealings. It colored our commercial arrangements, which had to include "break glass" arrangements for them to gain full access to our source code.

jolt42 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
OS/2 was the only thing I remembering being great. If they practically gave it away I think we'd be living in a different world. Pre-emptive multitasking long before OSX/Windows. I mean Microsoft essentially had to force windows (eg. 3.1) down our throats until it become tolerable.
LgWoodenBadger [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You should also never name your faulty/flaky Dell server Bob when Bob is also the name of your company president (though the president came after the server).

Calling Bob (the server) a piece of shit ("Bob is a piece of shit") because it crashed again was a very risky move that we often didn't fully think through.

shellwizard [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They left the consumer market decades ago, as you mentioned, but they've been thriving in the enterprise and government sectors.

They have been expanding their portfolio through acquisitions: Red Hat, HashiCorp, Confluent...

gertrunde [3 hidden]5 mins ago
tbh - my first thought, especially with that figure and marketing, is "Bob the Builder"...

[Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_the_Builder_(character) ]

torgoguys [3 hidden]5 mins ago
My first thought was it was going to be "Microsoft Bob for the AI Age" or something. I didn't look too closely -- maybe it is!
zorked [3 hidden]5 mins ago
"IBM Bob? Certainly they have a license deal with Microsoft to release Bob for OS/2"
Towaway69 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Speaking of UK, I was immediately reminded of the Blackadder episode where the men-servant calls herself “Bob”. Rowan Atkinsons pronunciation is how I imagine this Bob to pronounced, with the same look of course!
throwaway81523 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I had thought that in the UK, Bob was everyone's uncle.
queenkjuul [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Everyone else's uncle, and only on a good day
basisword [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Also in the UK and never heard of this in my life. Guessing this is very regional?
podgietaru [3 hidden]5 mins ago
As with most things on the UK, probably. I definitely used Bobbins.

I used to think everyone called (cobs|bread cakes|rolls|barns) muffins, and it turns out it was just my small town that did it. As in, just my small town, not region, county, etc.

PaulRobinson [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If you call it a teacake, and I say no those have raisins in, and you protest that's a fruit teacake, I know you're probably from Burnley: https://www.ourdialects.uk/maps/bread/
makerofthings [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's definitely chip muffin. I have no patience for those heretics up the road with their chip barms.
jonwinstanley [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Hahaha. Chip butty
podgietaru [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Extra vinegar please, I want my muffin drenched.
basisword [3 hidden]5 mins ago
>> I used to think everyone called (cobs|bread cakes|rolls|barns) muffins

UK regional dialects are summed up really well here because despite listing five different names for a specific thing you still neglected the word I use (baps).

serf [3 hidden]5 mins ago
does that area have a textile manufacturing history?

I ask because i'm only familiar with a thread/yarn bobbin, I wonder if it derived from that.

jonwinstanley [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Yes. The North West and the midlands was where it all started. Cotton, mills, Industrial Revolution etc
podgietaru [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It does indeed, probably the heart of it.
wrboyce [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It’s barm, with an m, from barm cakes. Barm is the frothy scummy stuff you get on top of fermented beer, and it contains yeast. Back in the day bakers would take the barm from local brewers to make weakly fermented bread rolls… barm cakes.

(So obviously those calling them cobs or rolls or whatever else are just wrong!)

podgietaru [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I think that was just autocorrect to be fair. Barm isn't in the standard dictionary
wrboyce [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I suspected that might be the case, but I wasn’t about to turn down an opportunity to share one of my fun facts!
PaulRobinson [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's pretty common around Manchester. Bit like being nesh. But as you know... this is a thing: https://www.ourdialects.uk/maps/bread/
Angostura [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Never enough Frank Sidebottom on here
exakoustos [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The "What developers say" carousel has a single Java dev and dev advocate. They got lots of quotes from managers, directors, CEOs, and an "AI strategist".
throwyawayyyy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Lots of "performance review boilerplate, I don't want to say anything _bad_ about this person but there's nothing particularly good I can say" energy there.

Someone decided that this feedback was worth highlighting:

"Bob demonstrated a level of intelligence and contextual understanding that goes beyond anything I've seen in other tools. Bob goes beyond anything I've seen in other tools."

Skwid [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If you search those names you'll find most have a LinkedIn page proudly displaying their many "IBM Influencer" achievements and qualifications.

I realise LinkedIn is a surrealist caricature of corporate reality, but just imagine proudly displaying your #1 shill award for all to see

esseph [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> I realise LinkedIn is a surrealist caricature of corporate reality

I don't think it's a caricature of reality at all, it very much is like the large US corps I've worked at.

schiffern [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Exactly, it really is that absurd. If anything, you could say the corporate world is its own self-caricature.
PaulRobinson [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's IBM. They leveraged synergies with the thought leaders they could reach out and touch base with.
emddudley [3 hidden]5 mins ago
One carousel quote literally ends with "Bib is a highly reliable partner."
TheOtherHobbes [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Can we look forward to a localized version named 'Bub'?
humodz [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Theres even one that says "Bib [sic] is a highly reliable partner."
looksjjhg [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It’s actually hard to sell anything to developers, it’s however much easier to do with executives and managers
Stevvo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Interesting they are renting out agent skills. You can pick up "Java Modernization" at $20 a month for "Specialist workflows to help with modernizing Java applications", or "IBM i" for "Specialist modes, workflows, and skills to work with IBM i applications".
qsort [3 hidden]5 mins ago
markdown as a service is crazy
azinman2 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Is it that diff from code as a service? It’s human intent transcribed into something useful.
gspr [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Code is precise. Human intent is anything but.
closetheloopdev [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I lol'd so hard at this comment that it hurt.
redhale [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This is the most IBM thing IBM ever IBM'd.
sajithdilshan [3 hidden]5 mins ago
What do you mean by renting out an agent skill? How can one even rent a Skill? It’s just a markdown file
Someone [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You periodically pay a fee that gives you the right to use a licensed markdown file, in the same way you can rent movies or fonts.

When you stop paying but keep using the skill, that’s called pirating.

aranelsurion [3 hidden]5 mins ago
But if you point your LLM at it and say you want something like this, then it’s all ok. :) If you can’t legally copy it, just launder it through AI.
fnord77 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
so it's just a prompt?
valleyer [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It could be added to context only on the inference server, with the model heavily instructed not to repeat its contents. Not foolproof, obviously.
insane_dreamer [3 hidden]5 mins ago
depending on what the skill does, it can be a whole collection of python/other code files, resource files (i.e., js libs, css/html templates) and markdown files with orchestration instructions
SSLy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
how long before some hero puts them on github?
9cb14c1ec0 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Does anyone actually care about what IBM's skill files say?
getatme32 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
IBM hasn't made a product that works since Db2 so I am fairly confident this is a flaming pile of garbage.
pytlicek [3 hidden]5 mins ago
No, you are wrong. IBMer here. I was at first agains it, my background is for 2 decades startup(s) before I joined IBM, and I started slowly using IBM Bob and I must say it is really good and helping. With many integrations that works :)
jatora [3 hidden]5 mins ago
When people say they have been in startups for long periods, does this mean they worked at a chain of failed companies?
EgregiousCube [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Is it true that employees have to earn Bobcoins before they can use Bob?
quietsegfault [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You get more bobcoins by using your old allowance and running out, then submitting GitHub issues that get ignored.
insane_dreamer [3 hidden]5 mins ago
is bob helping with ur writing too? ;p
quietsegfault [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Are you allowed to use Cursor, Codex, Claude, or OpenCode or is Bob all they allow?
getatme32 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I have been told only Bob is allowed but not 100% on that.
Saline9515 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
What is good about it then? What model do you use? Which integration are we talking about? Is it open source? How much the "transparent pricing" "bobcoin" is worth?
sroerick [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Lol
aslkajdfklnlkwn [3 hidden]5 mins ago
lol, I've used it and Bob is a dumpster fire.
shellwizard [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Not an IBMer, but IBM MQ and Sterling Connect:Direct are both solid, I use them daily and they work wonderfully, although they can be a real bitch to set up and use in certain scenarios.
getatme32 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
A bit of hyperbole by me since db2 was made in 1983. But MQ was created in 1993. Sterling was an acquisition. The majority of products that actually work were acquired. Very little if anything of value since 2005+ that was actually IBM created. (Bob appears fully IBM created)
_zoltan_ [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I wish you study the Wikipedia page, please. it's a very old company and we have invented really cool stuff.

signed: a proud IBMer

quietsegfault [3 hidden]5 mins ago
What makes you proud about IBM currently? IBM’s “RA” culture fostering Machiavellian politics, singleminded view of next quarter’s success, and asinine yet draconian bureaucracy are three out of MANY reasons why I’m embarrassed to have had IBM forced into my career and got the hell out as fast as possible each time.
Stevvo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I don't work at IBM but there are many things to admire. e.g. You can take software written 40 years and run on a new IBM system today without even recompiling it thanks to the Machine Interface. Have fun trying to run a 40 year old C++ program.
jatora [3 hidden]5 mins ago
easy.

"claude, get this c++ program working"

these types of moats are all but obliterated.

bluerooibos [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I feel second hand embarrassment for IBM. Terrible name, subpar landing page, no mention of coding ability or which LLM "Bob" uses.

If you're launching something 2 years late, you've got to do better than this.

kakapo5672 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Well, at least the AI market is validated now.
Ciantic [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This sounds a lot like Spotify's XIRP. They managed to vibe something useful for their own engineers, were super hyped, and decided to release it in public. However what are the odds this harness will stand the test of time against actual harness makers like OpenAI or Anthropic? Neither Spotify or IBM are focused on making models or harnesses, these are just side-products.
qsort [3 hidden]5 mins ago
To be fair Codex and Claude Code don't have a lot of secret sauce either. This is not to say that the harness doesn't matter at all or that you can't do any better, but whenever they benchmark it always turns out that you don't lose that much with even a very minimal agent. If a different harness makes better sense for your workflow I don't see why you wouldn't switch (or make your own if you have the resources to do so).

I'm also sticking to first-party agents, but that's more because I feel no compelling reason to switch and CLI agents fit well with my spartan technology choices. YMMV.

abtinf [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> actual harness makers

I agree IBM Bob is not the revolution, but…

We are still in the punch card era of LLMs. Maybe even the Altair era.

None of this stuff has really been figured out yet.

natsucks [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Yes my first instinct is to roll my eyes at these efforts but we'll probably all get something better in the end from all the competition.
xemdetia [3 hidden]5 mins ago
IBM is training their own models (for instance IBM granite) as well as watsonx as a platform. They are trying to build a products for enterprise as well as their specific AI modernization models.
lowbloodsugar [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Sure! IBM and Spotify, two companies united in being famous for not being software consulting businesses and definitely not ever developing software development tools.
TYPE_FASTER [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Definitely gonna change Jira config to start estimating work in Bobcoins.
hermitShell [3 hidden]5 mins ago
honestly that would still probably mean more than story points. maybe all this AI insanity has an upside that the new cargo cult washes out the old one.
NickHirras [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It takes a while to actually login while it provisions some cloud infrastructure in your name. Let's see if it can build something interesting!
NickHirras [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Still provisioning...
absoluteunit1 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The landing/marketing page for this looks like something someone promoted/vibe coded including the Bob mascot.

Looks awful from a design perspective. Had to double check that this was the actual IBM domain

nadnad [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's puzzling, considering they made some strides towards improving their design language and systems in past years, which produced IBM Plex etc. under Mike Abbink.

They have a decent component system with Carbon[0] and a whole design principles website[1] which they could have easily pointed their LLM of choice to.

Even the ibm.com landing page isn't close to the design system spec, rounded corners and whatnot...

[0] https://preview.carbondesignsystem.com/ [1] https://www.ibm.com/design/language/

AlexCoventry [3 hidden]5 mins ago
As far as I can tell, IBM has mostly been putting out junk for twenty years.
a012 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Nobody got fired for using IBM Bob
someguyiguess [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Pretty sure a lot of people got fired over Microsoft Bob though
hn_throw2025 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Well, you could say Melinda got a big promotion for a while.
archonis [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Nope, but they'll probably get laid off at some point to boost share price.
glitchc [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Can we say it's Bob's fault, though? Bob did it, not me.
a012 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You can
pestatije [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Nobody who got fired uses IBM Bob
crash-universe [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Someone must have thought about this. PMs, Directors, lots of people involved in putting this together.

I wonder what their target customer is. They must have analyzed and projected this. I'm genuinely interested.

steve-atx-7600 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
There is so much business software out there and ecosystems that have evolved around it. Systems still running cobol on IBM mainframes; or, more "modern" stacks like Java apps running in IBM websphere. There are relatively small numbers of HN reading folk that went to some of the best CS programs and/or work(ed) at FANG caliber companies (whatever you call them now). The rest of the software engineer types are a diverse crowd and turning to IBM Bob might be more natural than some creepy looking orange starfish offering. That's my hypothesis anyway.
throwitaway222 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
And the solution to those businesses is not more IBM software, but Claude Code converting it to Go/Rust/Typescript in a few weeks.
steve-atx-7600 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I have a feeling that if they already thought like that, they wouldn’t be using IBM legacy stacks in 2026.
kitd [3 hidden]5 mins ago
A lot of IBM customers have moved to RH Openshift and running their java there.
cube00 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That IBM Z skill locked behind an "enterprise only" pay point would be a good starting point.
kfarr [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'm sure tons of companies have retainer spends with IBM for software, hardware, consulting, etc., and this is another way for their corporate clients to spend down / increase their retainers faster
alchemism [3 hidden]5 mins ago
See: Kiro by AWS
cube00 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> Bobcoins are the consumption-based billing metric used for Bob subscriptions. They provide a transparent, predictable way to measure and bill for your Bob usage. Each action you take in Bob—such as generating code, reading files, or running commands—consumes a certain number of Bobcoins based on the computational resources required.

transparent, predictable ... "a certain number of Bobcoins" ... so not that transparent then?

alchemism [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They took a page from AWS on whatever the hell a Kiro token is supposed to represent.
mvk666 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I was at an IBM Bob party, behind the scenes it's basically other frontier models with an IBM-specific context.
robteix [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's been a while since Sonnet 4.5 could be considered frontier :D
infamouscow [3 hidden]5 mins ago
IBM knows their customers very well, the additional context unlocks a lot of value.
aslkajdfklnlkwn [3 hidden]5 mins ago
"frontier" is pretty load bearing there, I think it tops out at sonnet 4.5?
karim79 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
My first experience with a computer was with an actual IBM PC XT and a King's Quest floppy. Bob is funny but let's not dis the IBM.
throwfaraway135 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Working with any AI tool means you trust the vendor, sometimes you don't have a choice because the best models/tools are from specific providers. IBM isn't a company I would ever trust.
butterisgood [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The last product I know of named Bob didn’t fare so well.
acomjean [3 hidden]5 mins ago
"Bob" is also the most difficult to listen to Primus song.

Probably by design considering the songs subject matter.

jmward01 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Clippy came out of that....
Throudin [3 hidden]5 mins ago
And Rover!
psygn89 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Is Bib Bob's partner?

https://imgur.com/a/3PQXIsQ

sajithdilshan [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'm really confused what this is, is it a harness or a new model by IBM? Some reviews on that page suggests that it's a new model
NikolaNovak [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I believe it sends to various models in the background, So largely a harness / framework. Ibm does have its own model which is one of the options for Bob to use.

(Note, I'm an IBMer but nowhere near this so my comment is strictly from my public knowledge/awareness:).

_zoltan_ [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Never heard of Granite? https://huggingface.co/ibm-granite

(I'm also an IBMer.)

getatme32 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
so it routes to actual AI companies and IBM adds additional cost on top. what a business model.
aslkajdfklnlkwn [3 hidden]5 mins ago
and hides from you what models it's actually using
mansilladev [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Ask the AI chat agent on the website what a BobCoin is. Because, I really want to know.

> I’m not able to find a definition for BobCoin in IBM’s content. If you have another term or topic you’d like to explore, let me know!

dudeWithAMood [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The memes write themselves
brk [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This can only mean that IBM Clippy is next.
cmiles8 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Ever since the Watson debacle I just run the other way anytime IBM turns up wanting to talk about AI
roncesvalles [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Nothing coming out of IBM is worth any attention.
rahulmax [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I generally agree except for these two things: IBM Carbon design system is quite neat. IBM Plex typefaces are lovely, as well. I'm a designer
eleventen [3 hidden]5 mins ago
What do you think is special about Carbon? It looks indistinguishable from any other design system to me.
jolt42 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Seems pretty minor. It seems there is hope for quantum computing at IBM.
hmokiguess [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I love how the pricing page has a "Most Popular" offering, totally.
kazinator [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Microsoft Bob's non-compete finally expired.
maxbobby [3 hidden]5 mins ago
No one at IBM remembers Microsoft Bob (one of the earliest, if not the earliest virtual assistants) from the 90s? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob
bigmattystyles [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'm convinced they do and they're trolling us.How many 100s of 1000s in consulting do you think it took to come up with Bob?
gowld [3 hidden]5 mins ago
cisrockandroll [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Is this just a harness or using a proprietary model in the background? Anthropic and OpenAI are already very well trained in IBM system i and z knowledge. Unless Bob is somehow improving the integration to these midrange and mainframe systems I literally dont see any benefit to using Bob. IBM will just kill this proprietary tech in 5 years as they are currently doing with RDi or forget about updating it like SEU.
kbwal7 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I think it's just a harness that uses proprietary (or maybe IBM is hosting open weight?) models. They say on the site (in the FAQs) that you can't even choose which model!

So it seems to be a harness that auto-routes your queries with no way to change this.

EagnaIonat [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You are correct. It routes to the model best suited for the ask.

The only positive versus others is that at an enterprise level you have more control of the costs with the coins.

getatme32 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
except they tack on surcharges to all token calls to Claude and GPT
jenkstom [3 hidden]5 mins ago
IBM has models trained for older mainframe usage (RPG II, RPG/400, COBOL, etc) so I imagine it would be very good for that. Bob looks like a branded fork of vs code or vscodium.
DeathArrow [3 hidden]5 mins ago
31 years after Microsoft Bob, IBM releases it's own IBM Bob. :)
Nelson69 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I thought MS killed that name forever.
someguyiguess [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's like they're begging for failure
ginko [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Call it PC Bob
Apocryphon [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Better than IBM Tay.
legitster [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This is especially funny when you realize how much money IBM dumped into Watson over all these years.
stefangordon [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I can't tell if this is an excellent joke, or a sad not-joke.
jonwinstanley [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Feels like a manager with no branding skills had an initial “vision” and everyone working there probably hoped marketing/branding would get pulled in later.

Never happened.

bob1029 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I like how the solitary review is word salad.
pram [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I thought the image was a joke, but you really pay with Bobcoins.. lmao

https://bob.ibm.com/pricing

UncleSlacky [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Funny, because "bob" is slang for shillings in the old LSD pre-decimal British currency system (coins worth 5 pence in the modern system).
annoyingnoob [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If only one could generate bobcoin using their GPU, only to use the bobcoin to use someone else's GPU.
karim79 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Is anyone out there paying for this? I know you are there. Come out explain yourself. And also explain the value of a Bobcoin, and if can be scalped and resold on eBay.
cbsmith [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Anyone else immediately think "Clippy for developers".
1970-01-01 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
NYSE: IBM -20% YTD.

I promise you Bob isn't going to fix the long-term stupidity.

altmanaltman [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Bob Shrugged
kyle-rb [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Microsoft Bob wasn't wrong, it was just early.
delfugal [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Bob huh?

That name's a gamble. Go Bob it? I need to ask Bob. Let's Bob for answers. Bob's your uncle. I'll stop now.

meerita [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Microsoft, IBM, Apple, Meta, all the giants are always coming late to the party.
mbreese [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That’s partly why they are giants. Let the startups take the arrows necessary to figure out or create the market. Then they can buy or build the gen 2 system that meets the needs of the market.
PaulRobinson [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Microsoft got this right once, and it cost them big to turn up late - that was the Internet and Windows 95 and the massive u-turn. Otherwise, they've been defining stuff early a lot I think. It's hard to explain how big a turnaround they had to do back then, but then it says a lot that until they made that u-turn the leadership was so confident in their own hubris they thought they could take on the entire internet with their own crap version of AOL.

IBM invented the PC and then lost control of that identity. Figuring out how that happened is something they are going to have a meeting about, but they're still working through the meetings to plan that meeting, and the Gantt chart for those meetings takes meetings to adjust, and everybody is in meetings so doesn't have time for those meetings. They'll get to them though.

Apple consistently turn up late, but redefine and improve the status quo. They sometimes prototype early in public (for example, the Newton), but normally they show up with the version 3 that everyone else wished they'd thought of that then goes on to define a sector quite cleanly (Mac, iMac, Mac OS System X, iPod, iTunes, iPhone, iPad, AirPods, Mac Mini). They Newton'ed Siri, but I'm pretty sure they're going to come back strong in the next 18 months, unless the enshitification we've all witnessed over the last few years really has taken hold and Siri is just going to automate that at scale. Maybe we will all be killed by AI, but not through malevolent evil, but widely distributed incompetence.

Meta are constantly taking swings at the latest thing the founder is excited by - the Metaverse (now with legs!), pervert glasses, and so on - but they mostly prop up a bunch of expensive failures on the back of a hugely successful advertising business. I don't think they come late to the party per se, they're just not very good at anything that isn't killing & harming children, or undermining democracy. They should stay in their lane and keep doing that, I guess.

unleashhale [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This somehow has less personality than plain enterprise software. How IBM.
amelius [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Looks like LEGO's lawyers will be knocking on their door soon.
globalise83 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
IBM Watson 2.0
amelius [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Companies trying to make AI less of a commodity that you can just swap out for another ...

No thanks, that's what I like about AI so I'll just stay with the raw tokens.

Stitch4223 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That was fast.

The copy is "clearly" written with AI… too bad. Some organizations "can't go wrong with Big Blue," so this will probably be a success. Perhaps it's even good, but that's not the case with this sloppy copywriting.

First paragraph: focused, what matters, clean. Shame they didn't throw in a "load-bearing" example and a few pelicans to boot.

nunez [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Bob has been out for a while. It just never got a lot of press. IBM has also been developing more "enterprise" flavored LLMs through their Granite series. In fact they were trying to make small, mission-specific LMs a thing for the last two years or so.
GaryBluto [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Why so negative? I for one cannot wait for IBM Bob to become the most successful AI solution - nay, product - ever, and eagerly await petrobobcoin eclipsing the petrodollar to become the only truly global currency. They have a CLI with giant ASCII art text for heavens sake! When has anything with giant ASCII art text ever been of poor quality? They made a fork of Visual Studio Code and everything!
perarneng [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I hope its good, I wont test it though
formvoltron [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Does it write really clean code ala Uncle Bob?
0xWTF [3 hidden]5 mins ago
So much for the "THINK" motto.
thunderson [3 hidden]5 mins ago
/THINK
getatme32 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I’m going to get a free trial and test it. If you do, leave your comments below on the experience
woggy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Bobcoins. Hehe.
throwitaway222 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They got it wrong - they're showing code in the ad.
ctoth [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Who're they subcontracting for the Von Neumann probes?
quietsegfault [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I used Bob extensively at an IBM acquisition, it was absolutely dreadful. Bobcoins.
dainiusse [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The next step is yandex/nebius "vasya"
SkyeCA [3 hidden]5 mins ago
arpanghoshal07 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
seems like they used claude for this
selfawareMammal [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The logo, the name... Horrible marketing/branding.
mv4 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
what happened to Watson?
jolt42 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
one-off, LLMs killed it would be my take.
nielsbot [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Should have called it Bob The Builder
lowbloodsugar [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Bob the Builder? Right age bracket I guess.
m_w_ [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The review that "IBM Bob isn't just another autocomplete tool" tells you everything you need to know about this product. lol.
karim79 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Bobcoins. Intriguing.
swiftcoder [3 hidden]5 mins ago
At least it's not Clippy?
r2ob [3 hidden]5 mins ago
At least it's not Clippy(2)
chuckadams [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Copy of At least it's not Clippy(2)
globalise83 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Copy of At least it's not Clippy (2)_final
basisword [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Thought this was going to be about Microsoft Bob.[0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob

madspindel [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Hi Bob! Bob!
saberience [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This is embarrassing. It would have been better to release nothing than this.
TheAtomic [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Oh Clippy
DonHopkins [3 hidden]5 mins ago
What do you call an agent with no arms and no legs in the ocean?
tanseydavid [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Well played! <golf clap>
Surac [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Clippy the Clip is it's uncle
ltbarcly3 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Aww IBM wants to play too. I forgot they were still around.
ChrisArchitect [3 hidden]5 mins ago
walrus01 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Not to be confused with Microsoft Bob:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob

Hypergraphe [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Too late ?
antonvs [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Should have been IBM Tom, after legendary IBM CEO Thomas J. Watson. But perhaps they didn't want to sully his name.
vunderba [3 hidden]5 mins ago
As somebody already mentioned, they already had a big product named after their CEO. IBM Watson was the next big thing after Deep Blue, and it went pretty viral after defeating Ken Jennings and Brad Rutter on Jeopardy back in ~2011.

It was a bit of a market play and of course has since been completely upstaged by the invention of LLMs, but it still definitely got them the attention they wanted at the time.

https://www.ibm.com/history/watson-jeopardy

antonvs [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Yes, I know, I got a job offer to work in the Watson research lab around that time, at the T.J. Watson facility. I declined because they weren’t remote-friendly, among other things.

But IBM Tom would at least have a rationale. WTF is IBM Bob and why does it have the same name as an old Microsoft product?

vablings [3 hidden]5 mins ago
IBM already have IBM Watson which is probably named after the CEO
DonHopkins [3 hidden]5 mins ago
IBM Wat?
Geonode [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I bet this will be as successful as Microsoft Bob.
dmd [3 hidden]5 mins ago
My guess is absolutely nobody on the team that made this is even old enough to remember Microsoft Bob.
taspeotis [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Not to shit on their effort or anything, but it looks like a VS Code fork + an agent panel which is very ... late 2024 energy?
h_mirin [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Bobalytics
jgbuddy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Lol github copilot 5 years late
pytlicek [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Not exactly like that, but something similar :)
mattmcbrien [3 hidden]5 mins ago
their swag too tough
xyst [3 hidden]5 mins ago
ibm desperately clinging to relevancy by hopping on the LLM bandwagon.
znpy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Lost opportunity to call it Hal
criddell [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'm surprised they didn't use Watson.
andsoitis [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They already have an AI product line dubbed Watson: https://www.ibm.com/products/watsonx
colordrops [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Has any product with an infantilized agent avatar like this ever turned out to be useful or succeed in gaining traction?
yapyap [3 hidden]5 mins ago
ibm bob, will help you make slop
self_awareness [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Oh, so we are yet again in the 'Bob' phase?

Maybe this time it'll work.

varispeed [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The companies who are hoarding RAM to produce pointless products should be called out. Deprive working class from computing resources to sell some corporate crap. Get fucked.
argentinian [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If they produce pointless products then they will lose money.
varispeed [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That money will not "trickle down" in either way.
jrflo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
So it's just a vscode wrapper around a mystery open weights LLM I'm guessing?

> Can I choose which model Bob uses?

> No. Bob automatically selects the most appropriate language model for each task based on complexity, required capabilities, and cost-efficiency. This intelligent routing ensures you receive high-quality responses while optimizing resource usage.

colesantiago [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I never thought the day that IBM would make complete slop.

But it is IBM after all.

lirolero [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> But it is IBM after all.

Then how did you not see that coming?

zenethian [3 hidden]5 mins ago
“I would expect something like this from IBM, but I never expected it from IBM!”
villish [3 hidden]5 mins ago
“Bobcoins are the consumption-based billing metric used for Bob subscriptions. They provide a transparent, predictable way to measure and bill for your Bob usage.”

I’m getting sick of these mobile game currency style credits/coins that obfuscate costs or usage. It’s honestly pretty gross.

Just telling us exactly what we get for our money.