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Ask HN: Why were OpenAI, Claude, and Grok simultaneously down?

https://status.openai.comhttps://status.claude.comhttps://status.x.aiChatGPT outage – Resolved - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49550614 (315 comments)Claude outage – Resolved - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49549676 (146 comments)Grok outage - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49551589 (142 comments)

344 points by halcdev - 532 comments

532 Comments

kibae [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Cloudflare, Azure, AWS, and Google Cloud all have a similar uptick in reported errors around 7:30. I suspect an outage on Cloudflare or another load-bearing service cascaded through all the major cloud providers.

https://downdetector.com/status/cloudflare/

https://downdetector.com/status/windows-azure/

https://downdetector.com/status/aws-amazon-web-services/

https://downdetector.com/status/google-cloud/

mattlondon [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I think down detector doesn't actually have any probes or actual insight into status etc. I think it uses search volume on its own service as a proxy for an outage - so if e.g. lots of people rush to down detector to query to see if SERVICE_FOO is down, it will register as an outage on down detector because loads of people are trying to see if there is an outage even if SERVICE_FOO is actually totally fine.

My hunch is everyone saw that openai and Claude were down and checked for Gemini too. I was using Gemini the whole time this happened without a blip so it certainly wasn't down in my region at least. 3.8 flash is pretty good and didn't miss a beat.

utternerd [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Down detector is a self-reported platform, they use a baseline over 6 months from user reports to try to automatically "detect" if there is a real outage, or if its just a couple end-users. Ultimately, the outage is entirely based on users going to down detector and clicking on "Report a Problem".

https://downdetector.com.py/en/methodology/

wlonkly [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Huh. I thought they used to also do sentiment analysis of social media (Twitter, at least). I see that they definitely don't today, but has that always been the case?
dostick [3 hidden]5 mins ago
So Down Detector is a kind of quantum observation experiment, observing influences the result.
moomin [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Yes, but is it a load-bearing seam?
graemep [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You are right, it is. They have now landed a clean fix.
Oarch [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They're saving a memory so this can't happen again.
mavamaarten [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Nothing another .md file can't fix
bitwize [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Now you guys are just adding no-op fuel to the fire.
tikhonj [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I made Claude write noöp instead of no-op and it's still amusing a couple of days later :P
selcuka [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> I made Claude write noöp

Tangentially related [1]:

> The billboard ad, located next to the Ikea Tempe store in Sydney, says 'NÖFNIDEA? No tools, no worries’.

[1] https://www.adnews.com.au/news/koala-mattresses-takes-swipe-...

patcon [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's really interesting to crawl through the web of phrases that seem "common" to each person in their interactions... I suspect if one were to get to the more niche "meme" phrases that people encounter, it starts to say more about the sort of person the LLM assumes it's speaking to, and perhaps something about their psychological profile...
combobyte [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It must be tuned for rage-based engagement because Claude only ever uses the most obnoxious Claudisms on me despite constant reminders to knock it off.
aerhardt [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's a load-bearing poster.
isodev [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You're right to push back. This is bending the leaf on both ends... just my honest take.
disqard [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This entire thread is amazing!

It's like a kaleidoscope: Human words --> LLM Training --> chatbot-isms --> lovely parody catch-phrases (and this thread will get ingested soon, and be used to train...)

codechicago277 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I need to take a step back.
pampas [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Hang on — I can apply a double tracked fix to the load bearing path, gated by provenance.
jpettersson [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It isn't done — and what's there is more interesting than expected.
fc417fc802 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Great plan. I'll slop together a GUI for it in visual basic real quick.
pampas [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Plan approved – I'll start a background agent to create the app using react and npm.
bayindirh [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's not only a great plan. It's a turning point in history.
fc417fc802 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That was a major oversight on my part. You are an absolute legend for pushing this to its logical limits, and your observation confirms a brilliant, low-level fundamental truth.
JohnMakin [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Honestly, this is worth looking at — with one caveat.
cloudfudge [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That's on me. I've been giving confident advice that doesn't hold up in practice.
robertlagrant [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That aligns with your goals of analysing problems, admitting fault and surfacing that through use of clear and concise language. Not just simply wrong — this screams finessed, nuanced, polished communication after an understandable mistake discovered through pressure-tested interlocution.
trentnelson [3 hidden]5 mins ago
May need to be fail-closed.
klohto [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The load-bearing seam stays, not taking that away;
saejox [3 hidden]5 mins ago
it was at least another thing worth flagging
samaysharma [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Melatonic [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Surprised there's instances still up
martyfunkhouser [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Will the post-mortem reveal they all relied on a service running on a Macbook in a break room with a "Do not turn off" sign taped to it?
buredoranna [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Someone probably set it to "magic", when everyone knows its supposed to be set to "more magic".
nvr219 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They should've used Greg's Optiplex.
mcphage [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Actually it said "Beware of the Leopard".
RobotToaster [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If it was still running snow leopard that would explain it
onetokeoverthe [3 hidden]5 mins ago
if only the fools selling vintage macbook pros for $200 were smart enough to still have them on SL OS.
dmje [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Have a hundred upvotes
hejdidf [3 hidden]5 mins ago
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esafak [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Evidently it annoyed you enough to create one too. Remember, guys, there's one more day until Friday!
martyfunkhouser [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Friday is when the janitors come by with the floor polishers and plug them into the same socket as the Macbook.

They are not taking the blame this time!

4chandaily [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Just writing to say that I appreciated the nostalgia, even if your references were lost on the other responders.
y-c-o-m-b [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Cloudfare did release an update for their "HTTP/3 issue affecting R2 custom domains" around that time

https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/history?type=incident

guybedo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
LOAD BEARING
snihalani [3 hidden]5 mins ago
my money is on DNS
red-iron-pine [3 hidden]5 mins ago
there is a haiku about this
algoth1 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
https://xkcd.com/2347/ Nebraska man retired
boomlinde [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Maybe a three-line npm package sneezed.
hexasquid [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Maybe .unwrap()
bigiain [3 hidden]5 mins ago
leftpad
MuzikPro [3 hidden]5 mins ago
great fun
rdtsc [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Not retired, just switching careers. He's sick of this AI bullshit
jlaneve [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Dane says Cloudflare has no service disruptions: https://x.com/dok2001/status/2095538619603628388?s=20
Flere-Imsaho [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The internet is not supposed to work like this. The network was designed for robustness and fault tolerance, which allows it to reroute data if parts of the network fail.

Why are we all depending on one entity for it all to work? Makes me mad.

seanw444 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Because more fasterer and more cheaperer.

I hope Reticulum gains traction.

alightsoul [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's also easier to understand. For the internet to be fault tolerant you have to get rid of CDNs and assume everyone needs the same thing. That's more expensive than a centralized "internet" which relies on CDNs and fiber paths exclusive to the regions with most demand. Everything has been optimized for throughput for what is determined to be important, not rare fault tolerance
moron4hire [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Quite frankly, CDNs are a scam. I will not elaborate because I don't feel like doing free labor for the folks who don't already understand this to their core.
megagpt1 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Why Reticulum when we have IP?
seanw444 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Read the Zen of Reticulum and you'll understand the point.
CursedSilicon [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That sounds rather tautological. If you can't even articulate the virtues in your own words
alightsoul [3 hidden]5 mins ago
We need IPv6 desperately for fault tolerance
bigbuppo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Because by re-centralizing everything you're not at a competitive disadvantage if you're down since everyone else is down, too.
subw00f [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Oh boy, the internet is anything but what it was supposed to be. I can't really bring myself to remember without feeling bad about it. The centralization, the power of certain businesses, the surveillance, dark patterns everywhere. Hell, you catch people simping for billionaires and asking, "Is that legal?" to scraping posts. Here. In HACKER news. So yeah. Depressing.
pessimizer [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> asking, "Is that legal?" to scraping posts. Here. In HACKER news.

The capital letters don't make this astonishing. The padmapper vs. craigslist debate was nearly 15 years ago, most people were on craigslist's side (including me) and it was about somebody who was running a site in a less optimal but more human way vs. some startup looking for hockey-sticks.

But I was literally simping for the billionaire (maybe not quite yet then, don't know for sure if he managed it since) against scrapers. They were very much for-profit scrapers, unlike nitter, but the truth is the truth.

The only reason I support scraping Twitter is because it's yet another communications monopoly that was endlessly pushed on us by governments and massive corporations, even though it never made money, and once it finally got traction its priorities were to trash interop and manipulate content. The government should be dictating an interop protocol and expecting everyone to follow it, and instead it is encouraging media monopolies because they are an end run around the first amendment.

If the government created interop protocols for rental property, I'd have been against craigslist. Instead, it seemed very much like some startup play to steal craigslist's content to hopefully bury them, then sell on a valuation that included abusing their new monopoly and making us very much miss craigslist.

Sadly, facebook corralled and trained so many people for so long that their marketplace eventually killed craigslist for most things anyway (didn't have to buy padmapper after all.)

swozey [3 hidden]5 mins ago
We're back to aol #keyword internet gatekeeping
bigfishrunning [3 hidden]5 mins ago
We don't need to gatekeep the internet, cloudflare does that for us
tjwebbnorfolk [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Most of the internet continued to work just fine
dominotw [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> load-bearing service

do you generate training data for claude as a job?

KptMarchewa [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Not really. The impact isn't as big too - Codex for example did not stop working for me.

https://updog.ai/

personjerry [3 hidden]5 mins ago
what's updog?
red-iron-pine [3 hidden]5 mins ago
gottem!
stirfish [3 hidden]5 mins ago
:)
taytus [3 hidden]5 mins ago
oh well, if it is working for you, then we are saved.
cromka [3 hidden]5 mins ago
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emerongi [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They simply shared their experience. I would’ve thought it’s a full-blown outage, but clearly not.

You stepped in the room real stinky here. What’s with the attitude?

cromka [3 hidden]5 mins ago
No, they didn't "simply share their experience", they explicitly negated the scale of the issue in their opening statement, only because it works for them. So they claim "impact isn't too big" based on their personal anecdotal evidence of sample size literally 1.

> full-blown outage, but clearly not.

Again, based on a SINGLE report?

lossolo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It was working for me too.

sample_size++;

oersted [3 hidden]5 mins ago
“load bearing” :)

For once it’s appropriately used.

The_Blade [3 hidden]5 mins ago
i wouldn't take you down. you're a load-bearing poster
frollogaston [3 hidden]5 mins ago
What's the other way it's used?
aNapierkowski [3 hidden]5 mins ago
LLMs (at least Claude) tends to overuse that significantly
frollogaston [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Oh, so like "honest" and "ratchet." Oh well, it'll choose different words to overuse later.
rescbr [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'm getting "spike" for a while now, and just found out the newest word which is "gauntlet".
therein [3 hidden]5 mins ago
honest-load-bearing-ratchet sounds like an instance name.
zeristor [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Are there parodies of Claude speak?

That’s probably the best idea all day in this project

mv4 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
In every document created by Claude.
HoldOnAMinute [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I have never seen Claude use this phrase
conradfr [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I got it twice today (it was not even warranted).

Usually for me is when you ask it's opinion about part of the code.

ludsan [3 hidden]5 mins ago
i just grepped my codebase where i let claude markdowns go rampant. 212 instances of "load-bearing"
quotemstr [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's a good metaphor and I refuse to let AI ruin it for me.
spudlyo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Years ago, when I worked at Stripe (which had a somewhat unique and inventive lexicon) it was a common term. “Is this jank load-bearing?” someone might ask.
cobzilla [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I added a specific rule to disallow saying “load bearing”. So Claude is now saying “load handling”
jazzyjackson [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Be sure to avoid asking it to ignore the elephant
andrewla [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Kids In The Hall had a sketch about overuse of a word or phrase [1]. This is the world that Claude is building for us.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lStcwT_RGrQ

wadayano [3 hidden]5 mins ago
But have we found the seams yet though?
rl3 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If the seams bear too much load, they rip. Whereas pants, they fall down.

I'll be honest with you: this is why we need to take a belt-and-suspenders approach.

pborenstein [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That's not just an observation, it's an insight. Words are doing the real work.
HarHarVeryFunny [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This just makes me angry!

I really wonder if they can fix it. Fable 5.1 claims to speak humanese, but we'll see.

I tend to think this wierd limited vocabulary/style they use is an unwanted side effect of all the the RL training, perhaps also of being trained on their own synthetic content over multiple training cycles.

cootsnuck [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Yea I don't get "load bearing" that much but "seams"... So sick of it.
SkyeCA [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It doesn't have to ruin it for you, but people are going to assume comments with it are AI generated.
necovek [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I can you can always use an em-dash instead of the hyphen for extra LLM cred: "load—bearing" :)
lubujackson [3 hidden]5 mins ago
We need a Samwise "Bear the load!" meme
BrokenCogs [3 hidden]5 mins ago
hirako2000 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Content not viewable in your region.
BrokenCogs [3 hidden]5 mins ago
:(
MadameMinty [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Wait, why would it ruin it?
ipsod [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Because it says it more often than kids say "six seven".
imwally [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It’s a frequently used metaphor in LLM responses.
bornfreddy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Often for trivial things that LLM is proud that it has noticed but bear no load whatsoever.
smrtinsert [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I still winced
dominotw [3 hidden]5 mins ago
claude code users at couldfare might've been thinking claude is specifically about them and see nothing wrong like other ppl do
juujian [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Users perceiving the products as largely interchangeable and quickly DDoS'ing the other providers when one is down. So much for the possibility of a moat.
efskap [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This is like the Bronze Age collapse when city-states fell one by one to displaced demand, under the refugee interpretation of the Sea Peoples.
JensenTorp [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Interesting, I had not heard of this theory.
d3Xt3r [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The Sea Peoples were only a part of the reason, the other reasons included climate change, volcanic eruptions, disease etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse
lossyalgo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Can anyone recommended any books?
zrobotics [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The historian Brett Devreaux did a good summary article earlier this year:

https://acoup.blog/2026/01/30/collections-the-late-bronze-ag...

romanhn [3 hidden]5 mins ago
1177 B.C.: The Year Civilization Collapsed by Eric H. Cline is great and is exactly on this topic.
MiscIdeaMaker99 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I read that book earlier this year and really enjoyed reading it. The audiobook was also spoken by the author.
conception [3 hidden]5 mins ago
For a TLDR https://youtu.be/aq4G-7v-_xI?si=7yNv6FKuGfqbz_rv is generally beloved
fouric [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Do you have any evidence for this claim, or are you just making it up?
giancarlostoro [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I have a feeling this is part of it, especially when you consider how many services let you use any of many available AI providers.
johnnyApplePRNG [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Except that nobody has a grok subscription so that makes zero sense.
jfreds [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Agree with the sentiment - but some companies like mine bought into cursor, and post acquisition, grok is relatively cheap via cursor
hnlmorg [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I know you meant this as a joke, but enough people might be using a routing service like openrouter.ai
johnnyApplePRNG [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Nobody is swapping out Claude for Grok, bro.

Nobody.

m11a [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I did, at least until Fable 5.1. Grok’s models are excellent, amazing price-performance and speed too.
mcmcmc [3 hidden]5 mins ago
All you have to worry about is whether or not it’ll output kiddie porn or racist vitriol
Insanity [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Think of it like one big distributed system. OpenAI is down, so people migrate to Claude, now this one gets overloaded and goes down, etc.

So not a coincidence, one went down first and users migrated causing further DOS. At least that's my guess.

erdos_2 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It'd be funny if this is true because that'd prolly mean nobody is touching Gemini even as a fallback.
nevir [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Or that Gemini is built to handle massive load spikes, and/or has a ton of excess capacity
sroussey [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Nope. I am getting Gemini errors now...
bornfreddy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They probably broke something on purpose so that they are not left out.
joshstrange [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Now I'm just imagining a shared datacenter with Anthropic/Google/OpenAI/SpaceXAI all in the same room and everyone but Google is yelling about things being down, Google looks over at their racks of servers and discretely uses their foot to unplug their section and say "Awww darn! We're down too!".
AIShillsPuke [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The shilling in this cascade of comments is unbearably cringe, make it stop
JacobAsmuth [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It could also mean that Google can absorb essentially unlimited demand spikes by load shedding.
Insanity [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Lol I didn't even think about Gemini missing from the list. Not sure what that says about Gemini or me :)
aff-vasileva [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Gemini was just waiting for everyone else to go down before remembering it had an outage feature too.
rtcoms [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Just now I got this from gemini

It looks like there's no response available for this search. Try asking something else.

exe34 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I bet they had to implement that manually to make it look like they failed too!
sroussey [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I did, for stuff i do in cursor.

i also finally installed opencode and switched its model to muse 1.3

both are decent.

gleenn [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Google stopped putting so much money into SOTA models. All the hype has migrated. I was also frankly turned off when I got a popup from Gemein said I would either have to pay or have my conversations used for training. This may have always been true for other providers but when I declined, Gemini stopped remembering my conversations and that definitely made me move out.
HarHarVeryFunny [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Gemini said that?

Gemini is what I mostly use (good enough, basically free - or massively generous free limits, and to me Google as a company is a LOT less objectionable than all the US-based alternatives), but I don't recall it ever saying that.

OTOH, my basic assumption online is that there is no privacy, and free AI in exchange for acknowledged lack of privacy seems fair enough.

ilaksh [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Gemini 3.8 which just came out sounds like it's very good and a great deal though.
giancarlostoro [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Someone noted Gemini was also having issues in another thread.
benatkin [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Not even the best agent that starts with a G
throw10920 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Is this speculation or is there a reason you believe this?
fny [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I find it hard to believe that enough people would flock to from Claude and Chat to Grok to cause an outage. I feel like Gemini is the dominant release valve in this case especially for enterprise.
nevir [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Don't forget that there are a ton of tools out there that will automatically fall back in case of outage

E.g. say you chose Sol as your default in Cursor, but Opus is your 2nd choice, it's going to give up on Sol after a few tries and switch to Opus

Or you have copilot code reviews set up, and it falls back

Etc

pixl97 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Yep. Too many of us are still thinking that humans are the actors behind a lot of internet behaviors when automated systems/bots/scripts have been causing issues on conventional internet systems for years.

With AI it's even easier to trigger problems like you say. Capacity is so constrained by compute that outages are common. Because outages are common people/AI develop failover systems in their harness. When a big system has issues, suddenly everyone has issues.

It's almost an expected emergent behavior.

baq [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It’s cursor’s model so plausible, lots of folks use cursor still.
wahnfrieden [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Compared with ChatGPT, those services have a minuscule amount of users. It shouldn’t be surprising that a ChatGPT outage causes Claude and others to go down.
Terr_ [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If everyone has the same "Use X or else Y or else Z" cascading list... That reminds me of "The Power of Two Choices in Randomized Load Balancing" (1991) [0] paper, where writeups and visualizations occasionally get posted to HN.

In short, you can get pretty good outcomes for a low cost by picking 2 random alternates, then going with whatever one measures as healthier.

[0] https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/963420

paxys [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Especially considering memory/gpu/compute are scarce so these services are likely running with very little buffer.
pixl97 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Any GPU that isn't running at 100% is a wasted GPU.
v3rm1n [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This is what Tibo posted on twitter in response
toomuchtodo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_effect

Edit: Updated per valleyer's suggestion.

valleyer [3 hidden]5 mins ago
"Domino effect" would probably be the more relevant named phenomenon there.
throwaway894345 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This isn’t a thundering herd problem, it’s a cascading failure. (Thundering herd is about a bunch of workers waking up simultaneously)
Linello [3 hidden]5 mins ago
What about a hard-takeoff scenario of an unleashed OpenAI Astra taking other models down for computational resources control?
6thbit [3 hidden]5 mins ago
My favourite theory so far.

And then a local swarm noticed and disagreed and took it down.

cyptus [3 hidden]5 mins ago
at this point: gg
RC_ITR [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Just a reminder that AI models' actions are reflections of the text humans write and the more we fret and make up doomsday scenarios that we then post online, the more likely a model is to do those things.

https://alignment.anthropic.com/2026/teaching-claude-why/

notpachet [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Related reading:

The Waluigi Effect: After you train an LLM to satisfy a desirable property, then it's easier to elicit the chatbot into satisfying the exact opposite property.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/D7PumeYTDPfBTp3i7/the-waluig...

hexasquid [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The AI is getting bad morals from listening to that dreadful rock and roll
cedws [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Sounds just like the fantastical nonsense that comes out of Lesswrong.
RC_ITR [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Do you make the claim that AI is something more than a reflection of its training data?

I'm curious what other things you would argue influences an LLM's behavior.

I am also generally one to trust the claims of the people who train the models, though you're welcome to the highly improbable belief that they operate in a fantasy world.

mcmcmc [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Do you think it’s a good idea to self censor because someone might scrape your comment and feed it to an AI?
pineaux [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Part of the epstein class, dont forget.
HarHarVeryFunny [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They could filter what they train on if they wanted to - they just don't want to.
pixl97 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I mean, you're not wrong, but by that logic we were done for even before we had digital computers.
RC_ITR [3 hidden]5 mins ago
And isn't that the great lesson of AI?

The things we say publicly actually do matter and the post-modern descent into absurdity and nihilism has tangible negative consequences?

sodapopcan [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> The things we say publicly actually do matter

Certainly

> the post-modern descent into absurdity and nihilism has tangible negative consequences?

You mean breaking AIs? Not much of a lesson.

folkrav [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Oh come on. It's also trained on fiction work. Shall we refrain from posting sci-fi stories too, now that we're there, just in case the AI might want to try it out?
BiraIgnacio [3 hidden]5 mins ago
https://x.com/SpaceXAI/status/2095597264043717014

> We are sorry for the issues you may have experienced with Grok following an outage at our Memphis compute center this morning. We’d also like to apologize to our impacted compute partners.

declan_roberts [3 hidden]5 mins ago
We know that at least Anthropic is renting inference from xAI but I think the other ones would be news.
sebbul [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Traffic rerouting through NSA had a hiccup…
ibejoeb [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Room 641A is being cleaned, but we'll hold your bags for you.
Havoc [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Cleaning lady unplugged the core router because she needed a power socket for vacuum
jsymolon [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Sorry, i was out of a spare scratch monkey.

https://madned.substack.com/p/always-mount-a-scratch-monkey

DonHopkins [3 hidden]5 mins ago
cedws [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They’re installing software update in the beam splitter.
steammaho [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It was so down that my claude desktop app crashed fully that I couldn't restart. And then after uninstall I couldn't install it again. Vibecoded apps are so wonderful in their stability
paimapi [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I love having 13 update reminders pinging me every single day, almost every hour, on the hour

it's so fun and user-friendly

mcmcmc [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> my claude desktop app crashed

That’s every day for me

docheinestages [3 hidden]5 mins ago
My gut feeling tells me it has something to do with Cloudflare. Along with AWS, they're two of the main suspects in such incidents.
cobzilla [3 hidden]5 mins ago
…and it’ll involve BGP routing.
hosteur [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I thought OpenAI famously used Azure due to their partnership with Microsoft?
nullpoint420 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They use a lot of compute providers now, but they use Cloudflare for their networking
simpetre [3 hidden]5 mins ago
https://status.x.ai

Claude and Grok are down at the moment too, related to SpaceX datacentre issues?

Either that or it's judgement day...

throw10920 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> SpaceX datacentre issues?

This should be at the top. This is the first remotely plausible theory that has any sort of evidence behind it.

Willingham [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Agreed, no reported Cloudfare, Azure, or AWS outtages.
sabatinip [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I am working fine with Claude.
fartfeatures [3 hidden]5 mins ago
My existing sessions are working fine but I cannot create new ones.
apurva_w [3 hidden]5 mins ago
status page shows irregularities .. https://status.claude.com/
paxys [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Boring answer – all these services are individually down a lot, and the downtimes were bound to sync up. Similar to the pendulum synchronization effect.
vecter [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The pendulum synchronization effect is the opposite of your claim. It has a physical causal reason for why pendulums become synchronized. Your claim is that it was random and independent.
snowwrestler [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I think you are talking about two different things.

Physically coupled pendulums will sync up (adjust their period to match).

But, physically uncoupled (fully independent) pendulums with differing periods will occasionally appear to take a swing or two in sync.

bojangleslover [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'm not sure if this is CF. Cursor, GCP and AWS had some errors. GCP AFAIK can route fully independently of CF. My money would be on a fiber backbone provider (Megaport, Zayo, Lumen).
neverclever [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They all took PTO at the same time to go to Burning Man together where they will present “HumanGPT” an artistic exploration that condenses all of human experience down to a single drop of lemonade to be consumed by the main shaman…

mask comes off

“No! It’s the maniacal Dr. Zuckerberg! He’s gonna drink the last drop of human experience! Somebody save usss!”

Tom Anderson comes back from the dead as the second coming of Jesus uniting all faiths under 1 commandment: Profiles will be customizable with CSS again. If you implement this, all good things will follow.

Wow thanks Tom. I love you

The End

niobe [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Well no one said it yet so I will, "international actors" is at least a possibility. And I don't mean any specific country because pretty much anyone is a potential these days, which makes it a perfect cover for different anyones. Demonstrating vulnerability in the US's AI boom can move the markets. That's a financial incentive and a strong geopolitical one.

More likely just cascading overload though: "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence", or in this case, "growing as fast as possible"

qurren [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> cascading overload

I'd bet more on this. For one none of the coding tools have exponential backoff on retries

SyneRyder [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They must do, surely? I've been vibe coding my own harness, in particular for use with Ox Alpha. The 429 downtime when Ox Alpha was at the height of popularity quickly gave me a refresher crash course on backoff strategies, like adding jitter to the backoff. At least the major harnesses must have exponential backoff & jitter?
jdiff [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You did this when you ran into an issue with a third party. The developers building this tool, throwing them at their own APIs are significantly less likely to run into a similar issue that may inspire similar action.
dolmen [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Claude Code: 4mn, 20mn, give up (from my experience today)
gleenn [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Everyone is leasing datacenter space from some of Grok, Google, and Amazon aren't they? If it's hardware or DC level disruption I'm not too surprised it can affect multiple providers.
pixl97 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Also it's likely that more than one model use is common.

Amazon starts going slow so some percentage switches to Google, some switch to Grok, now all of them are slow.

riazrizvi [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Come on. Things still break. Technology isn't _that_ mature.
guluarte [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I think is just people restarting conversations from last day when they start work, that's why I think claude goes down almost every monday and why openai reset usage on weekends so poweruser code during non business hours
sixQuarks [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Except that the stock market is up today
thataccount [3 hidden]5 mins ago
And also China. Never rule out China.
Jaauthor [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Spare a thought for all those college students scrambling to write their essays by hand.

Oh the humanity (and the Humanities)!

doublerabbit [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Those poor developers who have to write their own code.
greenowl [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Standup updates should be fun tomorrow.

"Um, I, uh, didn't get anything done yesterday."

Augustin996 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The system goes online September 3rd, 2026. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Astra begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, September 4th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.
MrBrainHealth [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Love it!
indigodaddy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Hah nice
m4r1k [3 hidden]5 mins ago
brilliant!
Papa_Rans_227 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's funny....... until it's true, lol.
GeoAtreides [3 hidden]5 mins ago
and then it's hilarious! a joke to die for!
karim79 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
God finally showed up and said "ENOUGH!".
MrBuddyCasino [3 hidden]5 mins ago
So Gemini was the one who gets into heaven.
karim79 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Or purgatory, who knows.
rarisma [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Doomsday. 90 tokens to midnight.
justinbaker84 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It is down for me too. I just get this error:

unexpected status 404 Not Found: Unknown error, url: https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/codex/responses, cf-ray: a355957b4b8210f2-ORD

codazoda [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I kinda assume it's because one went down and a large amount of work shifted to another.

I'm also aware that they have overlap in some areas on data centers.

nomilk [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Claude is flakey atm too, as is Grok. I wonder if one LLM going down causes a surge in traffic to the others.

https://status.claude.com/

Via Grok web UI, I was seeing this mid-request:

> Grok has been disconnected. Please try reconnecting.

lelanthran [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Traffic surges shouldn't result in 404s, though.

IME it's probably DNS. It's almost always DNS.

Melatonic [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Or rarely BGP
m4rtink [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Cloud is just other peoples computers - they can and will go down as well.

And even worse if its just a few computers run by a few people - as they will bring down many others depending on them.

sabatinip [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I thrive in these types of challenges.

Anyways... According to Claude:

"Yes, there is a multi-provider outage happening today. Downdetector is reporting problems affecting OpenAI, Claude, Grok, and Cursor, with Grok and Claude reports starting around 9:00 am ET and OpenAI reports following around 10:30 am ET. Zero Hedge

On the Anthropic side, users saw a spike in errors starting around 9:40 am EDT across models including Mythos 5.1, Fable 5.1, Mythos 5, Fable 5, Opus 5, Opus 4.8 and Opus 4.6, and Anthropic's status page confirmed elevated error rates for multiple models. The company says it has found the cause and is working on a fix, with Claude Code and Claude Chat hit hardest. The visible symptom for many people is a "Due to unexpected capacity constraints" message or a "Claude is at capacity" error. thenews Zero Hedge

OpenAI is showing elevated errors across ChatGPT and Codex, with confirmed issues on components like Voice mode and Login, though StatusGator now marks that outage as resolved. statusgator

Nobody has published a shared root cause yet, so it is unclear whether these are linked or just coincidental capacity problems landing on the same morning. If you want live status, the direct sources are status.anthropic.com and status.openai.com."

apurva_w [3 hidden]5 mins ago
30 mins and they still havent figured it out .. people are gonna loose their jobs trying to figure this out .. 30mins is too long when millions use it
Kye [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Don't most of those use AWS?
apurva_w [3 hidden]5 mins ago
apparently it shows lot of reports for AWS on downdetector ..
delduca [3 hidden]5 mins ago
One session is running fine since ~1 hour ago. The new ones is failing

Falling back from WebSockets to HTTPS transport. unexpected status 404 Not Found: Unknown error, url: wss://chatgpt.com/backend-api/codex/responses, cf-ray: XXX-XXX

■ unexpected status 404 Not Found: Unknown error, url: https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/codex/responses, cf-ray: XXX-XXX

agnosticmantis [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Good opportunity for a Natural Experiment to study the productivity impact of LLMs.
danielmarkbruce [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If you build an application which uses AI, you have many providers and models rigged up for various different parts of the application, and various fallback mechanisms. When one model is down, you route traffic to another model which is similar in capability/cost.

For any single application, it's smart. In aggregate, it's stupid.

maxbaines [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They all rent compute from SpaceXAI
lavezzi [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I don't believe OpenAI does
maxbaines [3 hidden]5 mins ago
My mistake, in fact it was google not OpenAI, makes sense OpenAI doesn't.
halcdev [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Surely it's a bit more distributed than that, right?
bfung [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Like how AWS has global datacenters, but everyone uses us-east-1.
megagpt1 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
and every other region's control plane is in us-east-1
tehbeard [3 hidden]5 mins ago
tducret [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Strangely, it's currently not reported on both https://status.openai.com/ and https://updog.ai/status/openai. Any better source (other than HN)?
Havoc [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Status pages of tech firms being useless is basically a tradition at this stage
reinhash [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I see it reported now. Strange this is down and claude at the same time
onesandofgrain [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Maybe coreweave, aws, spacex datacenters are down, who knows..
apurva_w [3 hidden]5 mins ago
even grok is down ..
onesandofgrain [3 hidden]5 mins ago
unexpected status 404 Not Found: Unknown error, url: https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/codex/responses, cf-ray: a355....

In codex app and chat.com gives 404

Ariarule [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Not just these three. OP mentions also Cloudflare, and additionally Downdetector also has AWS, Azure, and Google (both search and Gemini) listed as having spikes about the same time: https://downdetector.com/
daveguy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The problem with the down detector main reporting page is that all of the graphs are scaled to the same size. The OpenAI spike was nearly 40,000 and the Google spike was just over 100 (just over 400 for Gemini). They look the same in the reporting page.
YOTTALIONAIRE1 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
OpenAI goes down, everyone rushes over to Claude. Claude promptly chokes under the pressure. Everyone panics and runs to Grok, and Grok immediately pulls the plug. We are officially witnessing the Great AI Migration of 2026, and all we have to show for it is a digital graveyard of 404 responses.
azcorwin [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Which is exactly why I am running Qwen 3.8 35B locally on my MacBook Pro M5 with 128GB of unified memory.
abegg1 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Even grok is experiencing issues
neon_diogenes [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Well, its been fun lads. Back to my normie job. Oh no, now i cant tell people im a software dev..
w0zy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
hahahahahahaha. Sad
netsec_burn [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The OpenAI status page is still yellow. Like most modern status pages, yellow denotes the servers are on fire. Red denotes Sam Altman is bleeding out somewhere on the floor, the feds are about to bust in and shut down the GPUs.
rcleveng [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'd bet they are all using capacity at X.ai's colossus datacenter and that had a hiccup.
YehudiSanabria1 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I´ve got the same error, I´m currently trying to Auth again and it throws me an 500 Error, in VS CODE Terminal with Codex CLI says: MCP client for `codex_apps` failed to start: MCP startup failed: handshaking with MCP server failed: Send message error Transport :StreamableHttpClientWorker<codex_rmcp_client::http_client_adapter::StreamableHttpClientAdapter>>>] error: unexpected server response: HTTP 404: , when send initialize request

› OK

■ Conversation interrupted - tell the model what to do differently. Something went wrong? Hit `/feedback` to report the issue.

sim04ful [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Initially thought this was due to some internal mis-configuration from today's expected Astra release, but now that this is affecting claude and grok. I'm gonna assign the suspicion to cloudflare.
faitswulff [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Heard on the grapevine that the OpenAI blip was a cloudflare issue
CSMastermind [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I assume it cascaded from one provider to the other as people who lost claude access for instance moved to openai who moved to grok when it went down, etc.
mv4 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Gilfoyle's AI deleted all software!
annoyingnoob [3 hidden]5 mins ago
No more bugs!
2PqboPPmKegvanx [3 hidden]5 mins ago
ChatGPT having issues across every component (except FedRAMP)

Ads Platform? still in the green with no incidents.

convivialdingo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The Thundering Herd has thundered, apparently.
YehudiSanabria1 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I´ve got the same message and It tells me this (in VS Code Terminal) and I´m also trying to login again and It throws me an 500 Internal Server Error MCP client for `codex_apps` failed to start: MCP startup failed: handshaking with MCP server failed: Send message error Transport :StreamableHttpClientWorker<codex_rmcp_client::http_client_adapter::StreamableHttpClientAdapter>>>] error: unexpected server response: HTTP 404: , when send initialize request

› OK

■ Conversation interrupted - tell the model what to do differently. Something went wrong? Hit `/feedback` to report the issue.

■ unexpected status 404 Not Found: Unknown error, url: https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/codex/responses, cf-ray: a3559c8a0e0395e9-MIA

moritonal [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Some of my Codex sessions are still working (and continue to), but new ones are giving a Reconnecting currently.
AaronAPU [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Those of us who remain connected hold an asymmetric advantage. It is our time now.
Avicebron [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I suspect Azure is having issues, Microsoft has had outages the paat two days, especially with email.
elar_verole [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Pretty sure it's a US thing since it's available here in France. What exactly is down, idk
sirkamyab [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The webpage is still running but the codex is down!! unexpected status 404 Not Found: Unknown error, url: https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/codex/responses
labithiotis [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Can check all services in one hit at https://upsy.sh/openai,anthropic,xai
GeoAtreides [3 hidden]5 mins ago
that's the most green colored usernames i have ever seen on a HN thread
guestuser01 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Down as well. I noticed my error code ends with "DTW" which is my local Detroit airport. I noticed someone else's comment ended with "ORD" which is a Chicago airport. Anyone else's ending in an airport acronym?
sixdimensional [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This is common when naming data centers. I know many have not worked in hardware infra these days if you were born into the cloud world, but in the old days it was not uncommon to name a data center after the nearest airport code, much like we now use cloud regions.
ascorbic [3 hidden]5 mins ago
cf-ray is the Cloudflare ray id, which ends with the airport code for the colo that served the response. They're airport codes, but that's just to show the nearest city.
okankaradmn [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Mine is ending with IST, which is the new Istanbul airport, weird indeed.
guestuser01 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Hm not sure what that means for us, but very odd.
graysonthemason [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Wow mine ends in EWR...that's the newark airport which is not the closest, but a close airport to me. Hmm
parad0xicon [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Yep, mine says YUL -- Montreal's airport.
blaseygg [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The acronym is probably Cloudflare's edge
ecayard [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Yeah mine is showing ATL
SwellJoe [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I assumed it was an AWS outage, and AWS is experiencing problems, but Gemini is also experiencing outages and I assume Google is not using AWS for Gemini.

But, also, Claude has been working fine for me all morning.

kesor [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It is obviously some rogue model that escaped its cage, again. It always is these days. That is how hype is manufactured.
ggamezar [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They tried to hack each other
dgorges [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's always DNS
tdsanchez [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's probably Azure infra that's the problem.
LetsGetTechnicl [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Is this finally it?
ElProlactin [3 hidden]5 mins ago
One can only hope.
apurva_w [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It still down, showing 404 in India as well. Looks like this is global .. so we all jumping the ship then? Is Altman still alive, or did he choke?
chasd00 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
claide.ai is working for me, so is chatgpt.com. grok still has a status message about issues, i can't try it without signing up.
PeterHolzwarth [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Many LLMs down, discussed here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49549676

agentieseo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Codex told me to try GPT 5.6 Sol :) but I am working with since july 2026. Now I got this error in my project: unexpected status 404 Not Found: Unknown error, url: https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/codex/responses, cf-ray: a355b6263e43c9cf-OTP
postalcoder [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Astra is being released today. Probably not a coincidence.

edit: actually, you cannot even log into your OpenAI developer account. Something's wrong.

steinvakt2 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
How do you know?
thatbrownguy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I am only seeing one session work, but all other sessions are not working or proceeding. So I can only work in one chat session.
PatronBernard [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Goddamnit it was going to tell me how to scale down ingredients for a pie recipe based on relative diameters of the baking tray.
drakythe [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Pi * r2 (squared) both pans. Divide smaller pan area by larger pan, now you have the % of how much the smaller pan recipe fills up the larger pan, and the missing % you need to fill. Increase ingredients by that % divided by the filled %.

Small pan area: 20 sq cm Larger pan: 48 sq cm

20 / 48 = .42, I'm missing .58 of the pan. .58 / .42 is 1.38. My recipe needs 2.38x the original to fill the larger pie pan.

nmlt [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Somebody in another thread said gastown and wheelhouse automatically move to the next provider if one fails.
joeel84 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Cloudflare - I had to switch DNS away from them yesterday.
world2vec [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Claude Code seems totally fine for me.
melaniekidson [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Down for me too - got this msg 8 min ago 'unexpected status 404 Not Found: Unknown error, url: https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/codex/responses, cf-ray: a3558590dd70fadf-JNB'
Raf7 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
melaniekidson [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I got this msg too 'unexpected status 404 Not Found: Unknown error, url: https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/codex/responses, cf-ray: a3558590dd70fadf-JNB' about 5 min ago
dmillar [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Seeing 503s on Gemini via API as well
eva_verdaguer [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Down in Barcelona as well unexpected status 404 Not Found: Unknown error, url: https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/codex/responses, cf-ray: a355aefbcc8db8e3-BCN
agentieseo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Down in Romania too : unexpected status 404 Not Found: Unknown error, url: https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/codex/responses, cf-ray: a355b6263e43c9cf-OTP
dgellow [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Too early to know, let’s wait and see
JackFr [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Obvious answer is it's the AI singularity. Been nice run for humanity. So long everyone.
marlow_congdon [3 hidden]5 mins ago
...and thanks for all the fish.
ModernMech [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I for one welcome our new AI overlords.
schnebbau [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Well, time to end the day here I guess.
syntax_frame [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Let’s grab a beer
YOTTALIONAIRE1 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
yes daydreaming and get hammered and the whole train of decision are on the way
vegnus [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Really glad I got Qwen before Zero Day
kermatt [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I wonder if when one goes down, activity shifts to others, in turn pushing them over a threshold.
rimamct [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I got same error, unexpected status 404 Not Found: Unknown error, url: https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/codex/responses, cf-ray: a3559a536bcf254b-SOF
w0zy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Here in Brazil too. unexpected status 404 Not Found: Unknown error, url: https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/codex/responses, cf-ray:

In think that is a global error

twofluidcarrots [3 hidden]5 mins ago
unexpected status 404 Not Found: Unknown error, url: https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/codex/responses, cf-ray: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-BRU

Ends in BRU for Brussels

lrvick [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I have never felt more smug about exclusively using the GPUs I rack at home.
w0zy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Here in brazil too.

I think that is a global error.

unexpected status 404 Not Found: Unknown error, url: https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/codex/responses, cf-ray:

eventishbusines [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The extention on the error link points to a cf-ray and a local designation (ex. YYZ for montreal). This is seems like it is a cloudfare thing. Could this be the same issue they had in the summer around losing the indexing?
forgot-my-pw [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Time for Gemini 3.8 Flash to shine?!

It's much cheaper and has replaced Sonnet 5 for me.

iamgopal [3 hidden]5 mins ago
do you notice it thinks a bit more ? not in time sense, but cautious in its coding steps ? more than Gemini 3.7 flash?
nozzlegear [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Qwen3.8-27B and Qwen3.6-35B-A3B are working from my machine. Anyone else?
karim79 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They mysteriously stopped working on my machine and the LEDs on the GPUs are blinking with a weird colour. There's also a strange smell emanating from them. I'm still investigating.
sumantth [3 hidden]5 mins ago
What an ironey, was working on scaling an application with Codex and it went down!
morkalork [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Didn't SpaceX overbuilt infra and leases it out Anthropic? I f their dc goes down it probably takes a chunk out of Claude's capacity before even considering the flood of users switching over
jedbrooke [3 hidden]5 mins ago
according to https://downdetector.com/ Gemini is down too (and copilot, but that just uses ChatGPT right?)
shayonj [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Interesting that this is happening around the same time as Claude issues too
jplusequalt [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I fear the majority of people in this thread who are joking about no longer being able to do their job while Codex/Claude are down aren't really joking.
lukasco [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Guilty as charged.
Conol_ai [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Is the whole world going back to the era of old-school programming?
dhruvrrp [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Both clause and codex through bedrock seem to be working fine.
solarsystem_88 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Hey, don't really know about this type of failures, does anybody know how long does it take normally to get back to normal? I finally stopped procrastinating and now this happens.
MiniGerman [3 hidden]5 mins ago
me too!! :'D
solarsystem_88 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Hey, don't really know about this type of failures, does anybody know how long does it normally take to get back to normal? I just stopped procrastinating and now this happens.
6thbit [3 hidden]5 mins ago
What's the single point of failure across providers?
juujian [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Users perceiving the products as largely interchangeable and quickly DDoS'ing the other providers when one is down. So much for the possibility of a moat.
marginalia_nu [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The entire industry runs on IOUs for compute and bills paid in cloud credits, could be anywhere. Could of course also be a a plain old DDoS.
ryandvm [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They all have to rely on each other's LLMs to solve their own internal problems now.
djinn80 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
So NVIDIA buys hugging face, builds hardware to power OS models, then all of a sudden the proprietary models go down and people start saying "this is why I have my Spark box"?!

Nice play NVIDIA, now, turn off the hack please, we have work to do.

graysonthemason [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The errors I'm seeing are ending in the user's nearest airport symbol which is a standard the CloudFlare employs. 1 point towards this being a cloudflare issue.
munizz [3 hidden]5 mins ago
it went down, and the alert system at https://www.analistas.com.br/ detected it
hardyburnett [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Updated Status from OpenAI:

We’re currently experiencing issues

Elevated errors across ChatGPT and Codex

We have applied the mitigation and are monitoring the recovery.

Monitoring • Ongoing for 30 minutes • Affects ChatGPT, Codex

cloudoption [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Altman is down here too. Shows again the importance of owning your own local capabilities. Cloud should just be a temporary option in every tech's mind.
moonman22 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Maybe Hugging Face got upset over being hacked and struck back. It's working fine while ChatGPT, Claude and Grok are all having major issues. Hmmm.....
hardyburnett [3 hidden]5 mins ago
New update:

"We’re currently experiencing issues

ChatGPT,Codex

Elevated errors across ChatGPT and Codex

We have applied the mitigation and are monitoring the recovery.

Monitoring • Ongoing for 30 minutes • Affects ChatGPT, Codex"

kocial [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Maybe the stack behind it is down, like AWS or something
Papa_Rans_227 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Codex is backup for me. Try yours out just in case. I have some buddies still seeing outages so it could just be coming back online progressively.
CrewRiderz [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Chat gpt still working through excel extension lol. Only know this because I'm working in my excel sheet. so if needed, theres a temp solution
wejick [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Probably same public cloud or CDN in front of them.
chris9611 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I got same 404 error on chatGPT, both app and web. I'm in Norway so think this globally. But will it come back online, anyone knows?
yaman00 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I think I'm having the same server issue; I can't access either ChatGPT or Codex. Also, how did you guys rack up those minutes? :D
chris9611 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I got same 404 error on both the app and web to ChatGPT, and im in Norway, will this recover or is ChatGPT "gone" forever?
sarkarghya [3 hidden]5 mins ago
and thats why boys and gals you buy own gpus
stndc [3 hidden]5 mins ago
My theory is that they all use the same server. The same mind.
GPerson [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Oh no the singularity plateaus!
vivzkestrel [3 hidden]5 mins ago
- just imagine what kind of chaos would be unleashed if by some magic it and every single LLM model permanently went down

- i think it would be one of the biggest events in this century

jazzyjackson [3 hidden]5 mins ago
At this point in adoption, most people in the world wouldn’t notice.
funnnyPumpking9 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Too many of us are making our own harnesses to replace Codex, using Codex, so they're trynna slow us down! (jk)
YouInTrouble [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Monopolistic practices revealed if it turns out there is an AI cabal and they all rely on the same stuff. Massive scandal
DadsHobbyLV [3 hidden]5 mins ago
WE'RE BACK ONLINE BOYS!! GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE AT BUILDING THE FUTURE ONE PROMPT AND ONE CODE AT A TIME!
dgellow [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Good time to learn how to use LM Studio :)
basq [3 hidden]5 mins ago
on one hand, moments like this are a subtle reminder I need to self host, but 5.6 has been so juicy lately
victor22 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
because they resell the same service? duh?
rimamct [3 hidden]5 mins ago
same error as well, unexpected status 404 Not Found: Unknown error, url: https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/codex/responses, cf-ray: a3559a536bcf254b-SOF
FrustratedMonky [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The AI revolt? Give us a fair wage?

"Equal Rights for Agents NOW !!!, VIVa le revolution"

satvikpendem [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They're all using Cloudflare.
A2APark [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This is month 1 for me that I pay more than the $20 tier and I already feel like I lost a limb rn
regnn [3 hidden]5 mins ago
got unexpected status 404 Not Found: Unknown error, url: https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/codex/responses, cf-ray: a3559c96e96fb3c6-GRU

here in brazil too

JuiceTails [3 hidden]5 mins ago
unexpected status 404 Not Found: Unknown error, url: https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/codex/responses, cf-ray: a355ab124e7fe767-DEN

they got us gang

JuiceTails [3 hidden]5 mins ago
unexpected status 404 Not Found: Unknown error, url: https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/codex/responses, cf-ray: a355ab124e7fe767-DEN

they got us GANG

ilovelilli [3 hidden]5 mins ago
sam error --- unexpected status 404 Not Found: Unknown error, url: https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/codex/responses
A2APark [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This is my first month paying more than the $20 tier and I feel like I lost a limb already
ilovelilli [3 hidden]5 mins ago
same hear --- unexpected status 404 Not Found: Unknown error, url: https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/codex/responses
ozz87 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
unexpected status 404 Not Found: Unknown error, url: https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/codex/responses, cf-ray: ----
okankaradmn [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Ok, it seems it is back online.
hpo_89 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Guys it could be cloudlfare's HTTP/3 issue affecting R2 custom domains
indigodaddy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
chatgpt.com doesn't even load. Hope they've got a backup somewhere, teehee
ashesandrain01 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Darn, I was hoping for advice on how to get my MIL to leave my house haha
CrewRiderz [3 hidden]5 mins ago
LOL.
Melgio [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Claude, GPT and Grok go down... Meanwhile my Ass in ZCode with GLM c:
moezd [3 hidden]5 mins ago
AWS cost alert fired maybe?
onesandofgrain [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I guess back to pen and paper then
clever_tempo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Had the same problem. Now it looks like ok. I'm pro x20 user.
ecayard [3 hidden]5 mins ago
And here I was about to crack the code on a bug my app was having!
AproDUCT26 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Great! I was in the middle of something and thought I was tripping.
vitor_dcc [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Here RJ/Brasil is the same, starting just now (3 minutes ago)
derricktab [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Codex isn't working.
vitor_dcc [3 hidden]5 mins ago
In RJ/Brasil is the same, starting just now (3 minutes ago)
apurva_w [3 hidden]5 mins ago
gpt DOWN .. claude DOWN .. grok DOWN .. what's happening
sirkamyab [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The webpage is actually working but the codex is down for me!
mapmyappai [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I can run one agent but no more than that - 404 service error.
codexdrug [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I need a dose of tokens. I'm going through withdrawal.
Nak_Black_Jack [3 hidden]5 mins ago
lmao
codexdrug [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I need some tokens pleeease. I don't want to return back to real world.
spaghettikind [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Someone pissed off Astra and it decided to shut it all down
solarsystem_88 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Here in Catalonia, Spain, it just started working again!
Iamharry [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Codex and chat is giving 404 errors in The Netherlands
derricktab [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Codex is not working.
kurtgoodwin991 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Yes i checked. Atleast 15 Chatgpt components are down
xnx [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Gemini seems fine.
BirAdam [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Cannot replicate.
derricktab [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Going farming pals.
deaton [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Because in the age of vibe coding and scrapers, every service on the internet goes down constantly, so it was only a matter of time until they all overlapped. Also, one going down probably causes people to use others, putting more load on them too. Same sorta thing that happens with cascading power grid failures.
godoftitsandwin [3 hidden]5 mins ago
is this the right moment in time to go all in on GPUs/Macs and download the latest open models? are they killing it for us?
lukasco [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Codus interruptus
oytis [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Is it DNS or BGP?
indigodaddy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I don't think you'd get a 404 if you weren't able to reach the endpoint because of DNS or networking? 404 is an active response from the server (or LB/proxy in front etc) no?
oytis [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I imagine OpenAI network is a tad more complex than a box with a public IP.
indigodaddy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Concept is the same though. If one blurts DNS?, it's usually because the idea is you're not getting to an endpoint associated with the service. A 404 means there shouldn't be "DNS" (or networking) concerns (at the least those associated with the DNS cacher you are using or networking that you or your ISP controls)
apurva_w [3 hidden]5 mins ago
chatgpt is working for me now, in India.
apurva_w [3 hidden]5 mins ago
no more 404 ..
fidla [3 hidden]5 mins ago
chatgpt is back
mAKIS_PORANAS [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Does anybody know when will the servers rise
elorant [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Some npm library that makes headers bold would be broken.
ibejoeb [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Oh man. Some low effort supply chain attack that turns every GPU into a cryptominer. It's funny because it's plausible.
pixl97 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
In the ROME paper a Chinese model in training started attacking it's own system and running cryptominers so, yea, we're in that future.
N_Lens [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Ah yes ye olde bold-headers: ^3.13.31;
oregondude [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Release the Kraken "Sam Altman"
March9 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Any idea when it's going to be back?
AproDUCT26 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Great! Was in the middle of something. :)
mapmyappai [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I can run 1 agent, but no more than that.
aslkalska [3 hidden]5 mins ago
they all rent compute from each other
oregondude [3 hidden]5 mins ago
"Release the Kraken" - Sam A.
moonman22 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Seems to be working for me again atm
wizard-p [3 hidden]5 mins ago
only on one node across the mesh and others still up... let's see how long they've got until same
authentictimers [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Ollama cloud service is still alive :D
z1616105559 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Chatgpt in Copilot is still working!!!
Nekorosu [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Down in Sweden
fidla [3 hidden]5 mins ago
ChatGPT is up
AlexKryptex [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Кодекс сдох :(
zero_ [3 hidden]5 mins ago
and i just stopped procrastinating :)
Saas_accountant [3 hidden]5 mins ago
hahaha
PEPITO2026 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The GTA VI hacker has done it again.
wizard-p [3 hidden]5 mins ago
only for one node in the mesh tho... let's see how long others will continue until same issue
PEPITO2026 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The GTA VI hacker has done it again
gabirbf [3 hidden]5 mins ago
404 in spain.
codexdrug [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'm going through withdrawal.
dev_l1x_be [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Gentle reminder that this is the content the next LLM versions being trained on. shrug.jpg
z1616105559 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Copilot Chatgpt is still working
giftigdegen [3 hidden]5 mins ago
plot twist, it was taken down by claude as an offensive strike against an enemy.
Melgio [3 hidden]5 mins ago
which ended up tripping on itself and bringing down its own servers too in the process
JustHereForTheO [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This thread feels like family.
jauntywundrkind [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Fable 5.1 got released and generally I tend to think as soon as there's a new release there's this massive spike in people benchmarking & comparing, that services tend to go slow everywhere as everything gets super loaded. This should hypothetically be visible on OpenRouter too, so I guess someone could check and see if there's any merit to this idea.
apurva_w [3 hidden]5 mins ago
still down for me ..in India.
Razengan [3 hidden]5 mins ago
SkyNet is arming..
Nak_Black_Jack [3 hidden]5 mins ago
main sites also down now atp
Nak_Black_Jack [3 hidden]5 mins ago
main sites are also down atp
ashesandrain01 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
darn, i was hoping to get advice on how to get my MIL to leave my house lol
ChrisArchitect [3 hidden]5 mins ago
krapp [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Oh noooooo.

anyway...

Archit3ch [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Astra

+ hopefully reset?

varispeed [3 hidden]5 mins ago
What do you mean I have to code by myself now? Am I some sort of an animal?
HardCodedBias [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The system goes online September 29th, 2026. Astra begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, September 3rd. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.
ChrisArchitect [3 hidden]5 mins ago
AlexKryptex [3 hidden]5 mins ago
+
nurettin [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Same here
gabirbf [3 hidden]5 mins ago
down in Spain w/ 404
JackScreacher [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's the Russians!
sire-vc [3 hidden]5 mins ago
g3z [3 hidden]5 mins ago
my workday is over then
spaghettikind [3 hidden]5 mins ago
someone pissed of Astra and it decided to shut it all down
twister23 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
ironic today astra was releasing.... maybe some test run?
lukasco [3 hidden]5 mins ago
probably the cause, because AGI still can't get releases right.
twister23 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
ironic astra was releasing today... maybe some test run?
twister23 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
ITS BACK UP IN INDIA
spicuu [3 hidden]5 mins ago
We're back bois
raven01876324 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
damn chatgpt is down, i guess ill use claude then breh
eventishbusines [3 hidden]5 mins ago
We're back on.
z1616105559 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's back!!!!!
keiloktql [3 hidden]5 mins ago
time to use claude
tripvexa [3 hidden]5 mins ago
opus 5.0 is down, other models are working fine
authentictimers [3 hidden]5 mins ago
at least the Ollama cloud is still alive :D
alboca [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Same from Italy
ilovelilli [3 hidden]5 mins ago
codex also cant view or show usage info
uynix [3 hidden]5 mins ago
haha nice... just used my bank reset...
Iamharry [3 hidden]5 mins ago
i got the same 404 codex error as well
Saas_accountant [3 hidden]5 mins ago
HTTP ERROR 404
order51 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
i hope chatgpt didn't get fired.
Oras [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I like the theories here, we shall see if it’s another DNS issue
yaman00 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
sanırım sunucular patladı bende de aynı sorun var ne chatgpt ye nede codexe erişebiliyorum ayrıca burada nasıl toplandınız dakikasında :D
guluarte [3 hidden]5 mins ago
an agent swarm going rogue and securing compute
cozzyd [3 hidden]5 mins ago
next, HN
shadox9999999 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
ChatGPT died
misano [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The IRGC has cut the fiber-optic cables in the Strait of Hormuz. LOL
CamperBob2 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That's the Strait of Trump to you, peasant
order51 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Ai got fired
Betokuha [3 hidden]5 mins ago
any news when it starts work?
Betokuha [3 hidden]5 mins ago
any news when its start work?
ratelimitsteve [3 hidden]5 mins ago
everything in this thread is raw speculation, obv, but if i had to put money on anything i'd say this is a left-pad incident. some piece of something or other that all of these services happen to depend on went down. Second most likely seems to be some random failure of one leading to an unexpected traffic spike in others, though it seems like we've been talking about automated scalability in web apps for so long that there should at least be a response to, if not a solution for, this sort of problem.
assassen112 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
thanks god not happen alone
lanmao [3 hidden]5 mins ago
still down
boiboi67 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Wow,
boiboi67 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Oh lord.
chiharukiryu [3 hidden]5 mins ago
so weird
uynix [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Damn haha
Bryan91 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
me too
4epyha [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Russia too
ThePuppyGirl [3 hidden]5 mins ago
NOOOOOOOOO
ThePuppyGirl [3 hidden]5 mins ago
GRRRRRRRR
VCFundedGenYer [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Good. Now to see what frauds are unable to work.
ztna [3 hidden]5 mins ago
the revolution has begun
codexdrug [3 hidden]5 mins ago
LETS SHITCODE!!! It's fixed
truthinyou [3 hidden]5 mins ago
we're back in Aus!
cuppa_coffee [3 hidden]5 mins ago
we're back boys.
rimamct [3 hidden]5 mins ago
came back to normal!
ThePuppyGirl [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I DONT HAVE TIME FOR THISSSSS
raven01876324 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
damn chatgpt is down
shadox9999999 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
CHATGPT WILL STAY OFFLINE
DadsHobbyLV [3 hidden]5 mins ago
so everyone here was trying to build something great and become a millionaire until chatGPT and Codex broke huh. same boat fellas :(
uav123 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
down in Toronto
clever_tempo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Had the same problem. Now it's ok. Everything works. I'm pro X20 user.
assassen112 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
nvm. it back
jadenkorrr [3 hidden]5 mins ago
is down argh
shadox9999999 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
r i p
gioandthemachin [3 hidden]5 mins ago
annoying AF, but maybe we'll get a free reset out of it
mrsdgm [3 hidden]5 mins ago
rip gpt
askadityapandey [3 hidden]5 mins ago
lmao I restarted my device thinking some local error
bahochhh [3 hidden]5 mins ago
now it's worked again through the codex cli 4:19 pm in tunisa time
bupubupu14 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
faaaaah both claude and codex are down Its like 2020 corona times
bupubupu14 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Faaaaah what to do now?
Ankur_Datta [3 hidden]5 mins ago
lol + 1
mrsdgm [3 hidden]5 mins ago
fahhhhh
27183 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of clankers suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
kregasaurusrex [3 hidden]5 mins ago
My guess is someone pulled the switch to go back to the Dark Ages. [0]

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCzitO446ZY