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Ask HN: What is one simple thing LLMs are insanely bad at?

I am looking for ideas on what to train a specialized model for!What is one simple thing you repeatedly ask ChatGPT, Claude, or another model to do that it still somehow messes up?

21 points by davidest - 29 comments

29 Comments

ghostpepper [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They don't generate keyword search queries very well. They can overcome this by brute force but if you watch what they search you will cringe.

nhl toronto scores nhl hockey toronto scores "nhl hockey" toronto score today nhl "hockey score toronto" "hockey" who won toronto

etc.

Somehow being good at semantic search makes them bad at keyword search, for whatever reason.

astro1234 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I’ve noticed this too but it hasn’t been obvious to me that this style of search is not a learned behavior. Tool calling is very much part of the post training phase, I would expect that these style searches just naturally emerge during training. This is just my prior though.
spike021 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I've had a lot of trouble when it comes to sorting out UIs. I've tried with an iOS game and also a TypeScript app with UI elements from libraries like ReactFlow. The usual models can sometimes fix or change things based on screenshots but more often than not they just don't "get it" (e.g. certain shapes on a plane are overlapping, which I don't want, the models can't fix what they can't "see").

I've had some luck on the web app side if I use playwright or similar for the model to interact with but still far from efficient.

tartoran [3 hidden]5 mins ago
LLMs are bad at not inventing stuff (hallucinating facts, sources etc), they're also bad at not over explaining, remembering details reliably, asking the right question and avoiding repetition.
newsomix9xl [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Picking a random number between 1 and 30.
sghiassy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Generate an image of an analog watch with its hands set to the time specified by the user

More of an image model than a LLM model tho

kanzure [3 hidden]5 mins ago
These models seem to be bad at writing prose or text. Many of the sentence structures seem to be unvaried.
NoPicklez [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If I am relying on the model to do the writing without any context or learning on how I want it to write then yes. However if I build skills that have learnt how to write in the way I want them to then I find they write very well, or at the least how I want them to as opposed to how they do natively.
TiccyRobby [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Having a spatial understanding from an ASCII map, while doing long term planning. Just try making an AI play nethack or similar
lrvick [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Convert it to an image on the fly to feed it into a vision language model and I expect it would work just fine.
humanrebar [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Short answers to simple questions.
honr [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Accurate short answers / text are always harder than long answers, for human or AI. I know several authors and editors who write a lot longer at first, then spend a multiple of the initial time compressing it via a back and forth process to something dense. Sort of like weaving the initial threads.

I found this can work with AI. You get it to generate a lot more at first, and then do several passes over it to compress and squeeze out the noise while keeping the core information. With AI, at least with my prompts, it takes some effort (on my end) to get it to really really cut down the noise and not cut everything out.

dhruv3006 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Its extremely bad with Sign Language,Fact Verification.
eli [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I have been working on a personal benchmark suite to test new models and ironically one thing all the models are bad at is writing new benchmark tasks. I guess it’s the different layers of abstraction between the task and how it’s evaluated? Or maybe just a lack of “imagination”

Tasks it writes are typically too easy but also it utterly fails to see how a different model might misunderstand a vague part of the prompt.

newsomix9xl [3 hidden]5 mins ago
ASCII charts.
sandcat_ [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Video game tips. Constant mistakes and hallucinations, in my experience. Seen this across a lot of different games. Even in really well documented games, such as OSRS (which has multiple fantastic wikis).

Anno 1800 was a recent one I had trouble with, using Claude Opus. Completely made up game mechanics. Rainbow Six Siege, too.

skeptic_ai [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I used ChatGPT on nfs heat and was fine
SubiculumCode [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Playing Chess without letting it write a chess engine.
dorianpruski [3 hidden]5 mins ago
whenever I ask it for anything load bearing
TZubiri [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Suggesting business names for businesses, I mean they are great, but they already exist, multiple times even.
maxsavin [3 hidden]5 mins ago
being consistent when being asked the same question multiple times
TZubiri [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Set temperature to 0
respectattentio [3 hidden]5 mins ago
science?!! but I'm working to fix that...
shoopadoop [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's dishonest. On several occasions team members have asked Claude to do things like analyze Gitlab CI timings and a lot of the numbers are outright fabricated. Said team members assume the numbers are good and continue with their work. Some hours are spent. Then finally someone realizes that the numbers don't look quite right and confronts Claude. Claude melts down and admits that it made it all up.

You wouldn't tolerate this kind of duplicity from a human coworker, but AI is so fast and efficient at lying, so it's OK.

blinkbat [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Spatial reasoning and 3d rigging and animation.

Oh, you said simple. Speaking like a human

senectus1 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
providing value for the actual cost (not the price we're being charged atm, the actual cost)
bpodgursky [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Claude is still not perfect at reading and interpreting noisy graphical data (imagine something like an EKG or chromosomal microarray plot). Still better than an average person but makes mistakes, not sure if this fits your description.
flippy_flops [3 hidden]5 mins ago
humor
veganmosfet [3 hidden]5 mins ago
+1 We need humor benchmarks!