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Glacier Mice

275 points by ostacke - 54 comments
ta93754829 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
huh funny name that. When I hiked a glacier in Norway, dead mice (and other things) were everywhere under the ice. I assumed that's what the title was referring to.
jameshart [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Huh

> they have been observed in Alaska, Chile, Greenland, Iceland, Svalbard, Uganda and Venezuela

Well, today I learned, Venezuela has glaciers.

Then I googled that, and…

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/may/08/...

And so today I learned, Venezuela used to have glaciers.

hammock [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Interestingly, the US has ADDED a glacier in the last 30 years, that of Mount St Helens, which was able to form after the explosion in 1980. It is the youngest glacier on earth
nsilvestri [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It had 13 glaciers pre-eruption, so perhaps "added" is doing a lot of heavy lifting :)
BenFranklin100 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
We need to go nuclear with the newer type of plants. Built at scale, they are cost effective. Otherwise we are cooked, perhaps quite literally.
pineaux [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Venus scenario? I wonder if that could happen. Time to explore that rabbit hole
noncovalence [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Always love seeing a link to wikipedia.org on the front page. Pretty much guaranteed to make me go "oh, neat" :)
vismit2000 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Related: https://www.orangecrumbs.com (nice weekly summary of top wikipedia posts on HN)
hrldcpr [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Agreed. I would follow a bluesky/mastodon/rss thing that shares every time a Wikipedia article hits the front page.
lostlogin [3 hidden]5 mins ago
When I used Kagi, my favourite feature was pinning Wikipedia to the top of all results.
yard2010 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Why don't you use it anymore?
lostlogin [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'm not happy to have any of my money go to Russia (Yandex).

The number of US companies I support is usually queried, and I do avoid several of them too.

It's certainly tested my will more than more than I expected - Kagi is an amazing search.

enjrolas [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I did a bit of searching, and couldn't find a single timelapse of glacier mice movement. Time for a trip to the mountains with some cameras!
mettamage [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Volunteering as a potential random travel buddy here. I’m not sure if I have the time but let’s see if we can figure something out if you are potentially up for it. My email is in profile
enjrolas [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Heck yeah
networked [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I have found a video (under a minute long) of a backpacking group walking through a herd of glacier mice in Alaska: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4fHfDrfoJw. I'd love to see a timelapse of glacier mice moving.
Aboutplants [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I’m actually surprised there isn’t Timelapse of it already. Seems like a simple enough setup to gather basically all of the information needed for finalizing how they move.
andrewflnr [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If you put me on that surface I don't think I would have any idea it was a glacier.
comrade1234 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Here in Switzerland when children order shrimp at a restaurant I tell them that they come from the shrimp mines in the glaciers.
soupspaces [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If they don't know about tapioca pearls, please keep in mind they resemble fish eggs.
nyanmatt [3 hidden]5 mins ago
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sanex [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's ok they're just bugs
nannal [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I use the same argument with dog meat.
halflife [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You managed to talk with the dog from fallout 1?
NuclearPM [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Dogs are bugs?
ArekDymalski [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I would say they are features.
throwaway173738 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I think you’ll find that words have definitions that can be changed.
the_gipsy [3 hidden]5 mins ago

    #define bug dog
encomiast [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Aren’t we all.
Aardwolf [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I clicked the picture first without reading any of the article and was wondering "where are the mice? they must be well camouflaged!"
jtd_wakeseed [3 hidden]5 mins ago
same!
asmodeuslucifer [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Slightly related, ice worms

https://glaciers.nichols.edu/iceworm/

kaffekaka [3 hidden]5 mins ago
jökla-mýs is a wonderful name, you gotta love icelandic. A swede might also associate it too "jäkla mys" - god damn cozy!
glimshe [3 hidden]5 mins ago
TIL. Life never ceases to amaze.
davidjade [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Wait until you hear about Ice Worms

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_worm

accrual [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I like how they installed a GPS module into one of the rocks to track its path.
grvbck [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Thanks to your comment TIL that snow algae is a thing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_algae

Aboutplants [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Another fun one is Mima Mounds, mounds found all over and especially in North America that don’t have established causes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mima_mounds

Rendello [3 hidden]5 mins ago
From your article:

> "Mima" is a name derived from a Chinook Jargon term meaning "a little further along or "downstream".

To keep the random learning going, Chinook Jargon [1] is fascinating in itself. A few years ago someone on this site suggested a book called You Can't Win, an autobiography of a reformed hobo/thief/addict written in the 20s. It's fantastic, especially the audiobook version on Spotify. Googling now, I'm seeing it got a (poorly reviewed) movie adaptation this year [2].

Anyway, when locked in a British Colombia jail around the turn of the century, the thief/author used it to communicate with his Chinese cellmate [3]:

> A priest visited the jail one day and gave me a pamphlet on which he had printed the Chinook language. In answer to my question he told me it contained about three hundred words—nouns, verbs, and adjectives. It was created by the Hudson Bay traders, years before, and taught to all the Northwest Indians to simplify trading with the different tribes. […]

> One day he came in with a scared-looking China boy about twenty years old. “Yank, here’s a cellmate for you.” He locked the Chinese in, thinking he was punishing me. The China boy later proved the jailer’s undoing and my deliverance. He knew some Chinook, but not one word of English. I learned from the Indian trusty that he was held for trial, charged with stealing a considerable sum of money from his employer, and that his case was about as hopeless as mine.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinook_Jargon

2. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1402593/

3. https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/69404/pg69404-images.ht...

alexpotato [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Also a reminder that a lot of life is basic physics and a simple state machine.

e.g. even the development of eyeballs started with a slightly photoreceptive skin cell and then evolution hill climbing took care of the rest.

glimshe [3 hidden]5 mins ago
But that's fine too. If the complexity of the natural world is just emergent behaviors, then emergence itself never ceases to amaze. Because one wouldn't normally expect that our "cold" physical laws could lead to the variety of life.
chrisweekly [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I highly recommend the book "Deep Simplicity" by John Gribbin.^1

It explores precisely this topic: the emergence of unexpectedly rich, complex behaviors from very simple rules given feedback and sensitivity to initial conditions.

1. https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/71851/deep-simplici...

FabHK [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Another recommendation, with a biological slant: One Hand Clapping: Unraveling the Mystery of the Human Mind by Nikolay Kukushkin.

https://nikolaykukushkin.com/book

ck2 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
reminds me vaguely of "Sailing Stones"

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing_stones

dualarte [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> This suggests that this water buoyantly lifts the ice floes with embedded rocks until friction with the playa bed is reduced sufficiently for wind to move them and cause the observed tracks.

Wow, that's nuts!

eleventen [3 hidden]5 mins ago
My first thought as well!
sooperT [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Dunno about you, but I was really hoping to see mice not moss :/
dburkland [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Remember seeing these in Iceland
joe-esquibel [3 hidden]5 mins ago
...Poppa was a rolling stone...
trindell4469 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Am I the only one who immediately thought of tribbles?
jb1991 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Yes