> My AI is a natural extension of me. It feels like a sixth sense and another limb. I wonder about a problem, feel as though I’m literally surfing the web, see glimpses of the websites, get flashes of intuition about the problem, and ultimately derive the answer.
We call this AI psychosis.
G3nD [3 hidden]5 mins ago
"I feel good about the vision, because it builds towards a more human future" I wonder if the author truly believes this. I could maybe buy some sort of inevitability argument, but this current framing is very hard to take seriously.
tylerrobinson [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> I want to feel what my Codex feels.
Yeesh. I guess that makes one of us. Truly one of the more horrifying short stories I’ve read.
MeetingsBrowser [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This seems strictly worse than speech to text as input to AI?
I cannot comprehend the output from AI fast enough for the speed difference between a verbal and thought response to matter.
Not to mention the privacy nightmare of logging my raw thoughts in a corporate environment and potentially routing them to an LLM provider.
Dependance [3 hidden]5 mins ago
What is the benefit ?
Sharing thoughts to the external world would be like going to a bakery and walking out with flour and eggs.
Isn't the act of talking/writing part of the thinking ? Am I just going to share intrusive thoughts and half-baked ideas to my CIA agent now ?
adityashankar [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This might be naive, but I think the idea is to replace your keyboard
nullorempty [3 hidden]5 mins ago
From the article.
>Thought-to-text, aka telepathy
No, that's not telepathy. I'd leave the term alone. Consider it to be reserved for... well... telepathy!
moritzwarhier [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Well, the text-to-thought direction feels less sci-fi, and combining both would amount to kind of telepathy.
But sure, you're right. Reading is not a deterministic/injective mapping of text to thoughts.
Apart from the trouble of defining what a thought is, independent from the person who thinks it.
Me thinking of grabbing a mug of coffee is a different thought from you doing the same... defining "thought" pulls in a whole jungle of epistemology (maybe I should say philosophy, more broadly, I'm not in the field).
Is there an abstract concept of "the thought of raising your left index finger"? Or "the thought of remembering severe pain"? Etc etc
rebolek [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Next you'll want the term "Artificial Intelligence" reserved for actual artificial intelligence.
ge96 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Neuralink to Neuralink users
tessierashpool [3 hidden]5 mins ago
next they're going to set up thought-triggered Amazon purchases and say that moving the object from the warehouse to your home constitutes telekinesis.
ever since Elon did his "promise full self-driving every year" thing, entrepreneurs been on a weird sort of fiction escalator.
thought-to-text is incredible. imagine doing something that remarkable with your life and feeling the need to exaggerate.
cdrnsf [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I thought this was a parody when I opened it.
swader999 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I think I think I think it will be eventually.
onemoresoop [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Id be curios to see attempts of my nonverbal thoughts in writing. It doesn’t seem possible imo.
mvanbaak [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> My GPT-7 agent has been chugging away at the new encoder I’ve been exploring for over a day now.
How much are those people making to be able to afford things like this?
hgoel [3 hidden]5 mins ago
As employees they have unlimited usage IIRC, and also these kinds of tasks can be surprisingly token efficient because a very large chunk of time is spent waiting for the calculation to finish, and AI agents love to run calculations excessively.
mvanbaak [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If the employer is giving this to the employee, it will be income. somewhere this will have to be defended.
axus [3 hidden]5 mins ago
2040 : I earnestly believe that presidential term limits should be abolished, and also that federal control of elections is incredibly important. Not sure where that thought came from, but I'm certain!
pstuart [3 hidden]5 mins ago
What's a president? King Trump II has been our leader as long as I can remember!
Animats [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Probably more useful for interrogation than coding.
Under current US law, can people entering the US be subjected to mind-reading?
LPisGood [3 hidden]5 mins ago
No. This is the philosophical basis of the fifth amendment.
nyxtom [3 hidden]5 mins ago
As though we haven't done enough already to manipulate the mind, now we can have a neural model dictate our thoughts for us.
cormorant [3 hidden]5 mins ago
nice double entendre on "dictate", there.
goatlover [3 hidden]5 mins ago
We can finally have ads in our dreams like Futurama.
voiper1 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> My GPT-7 agent... I become .... annoyed at the AI-speak in its first paragraph
When we have GPT-7 it will still do AI-speak?!
lantry [3 hidden]5 mins ago
- telepathic communication with your computer
- still annoyed by AI-speak
What a bold vision!
andrethegiant [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Visit from CIA in 3, 2, 1...
The only thing I would actually want this for would be a dream logger. Extremely invasive and quite dangerous otherwise.
mosura [3 hidden]5 mins ago
There is probably good money in upgrading the polygraph security clearance ritual for the 21st century.
It doesn’t even really need to work of course.
sam-cop-vimes [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Hmm...how do you stop private thoughts from reaching the LLM? Suddenly you can be prosecuted for thinking the "wrong" thoughts?
roguetoasterer [3 hidden]5 mins ago
As someone with OCD, this tech is pretty far up there in terms of potential nightmares.
pbjerkeseth [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Yeah, this whole area of UX scares me. Silent speech techniques could strike a balance, but it seems obvious it wont stop there - consider what a state actor would do if they could skip interrogation altogether?
Unfortunately I think this is inevitable because as a species we perform a steady march toward collective desires for items of science fiction, so start your adversarial double-think practice now.
dudefeliciano [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Is it really collective desire or are these products being pushed upon us? And why does it always have to be the dystopic "destroying human nature and society as we know it" science fiction and not the utopic "everyone lived happily ever after" science fiction? Or does it just feel that way to me?
dag100 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
For a utopia to exist, everything has to go right. Dystopias are almost all modelled on some existing facet of human behaviour. Naturally one state is unstable as it requires practically complete co-operation in most cases while the other one is stable as it usually exists as some sort of undesirable equilibrium between competing forces.
podgietaru [3 hidden]5 mins ago
"My AI just sent my boss a 12 paragraph screed because I thought about how much I hate him"
podgietaru [3 hidden]5 mins ago
"In a couple years"
In a couple years?! Get over the technical hurdles, do you think PEOPLE will be ready to telepathically talk to a computer in A COUPLE OF YEARS?
deadbabe [3 hidden]5 mins ago
vim already exists
hiAndrewQuinn [3 hidden]5 mins ago
secret counterexample. people have been failing to learn vim for literal decades
the_sleaze_ [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Upon trying it for the first time more than 60% of people never exit - that's just great retention!
recursive [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Every time I accidentally start vim, I just buy a new computer.
So is it just that these are people who haven’t personally experienced well-intentioned technology turning into a living nightmare? Watching the optimism and then collapse of Web 2.0 was a formative experience for me. I’m 38. Is this just naivete? What is this?
baron3dl [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Inevitablism, a fundamentalist belief system that resolves every moral hazard with an appeal to the inevitable. "we can't let someone else do this first"
goatlover [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Like Edward Teller wanting to develop hydrogen bombs while Oppenheimer was trying to prevent an arms race from starting.
soco [3 hidden]5 mins ago
"I will kill you now since you're dying anyway so just hand me all your money"
codeduck [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's called being insulated from the immediate consequences of their actions and hubris.
rufasterisco [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I understand where you are coming from. Yet.
Neuralink exists since 10 years, is in clinical trial, has been implanted on a living human being in 2 years ago.
The lack of adults in the room to set rules around moral hazard is hardly her generation's fault.
Aurornis [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> Watching the optimism and then collapse of Web 2.0
What collapse of web 2.0?
Technically the website we're on is web 2.0 because we're interacting as users.
I don't think it's naiveté on their part to want to build new things. I think you're just jaded and hyperfocusing on the negatives.
dag100 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
With some technologies, the negatives are so severe it is difficult to see how they outweigh the positives. Mind-control technology is quite frankly just asking to be abused. It's the ultimate relinquishment of power - you reveal your entire hand to someone else AND let them do what they want with it. I honestly don't understand how some people are so optimistic that they think this technology won't be misused in ways that massively overshadow the good that could be done with them.
kleiba2 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
To me, this reads as an attempt to raise easy investment money.
wuschel [3 hidden]5 mins ago
"Die Gedanken sind frei..." - can someone guess them? A truly dystopian question.
It is been 10 years ago when I looked through some research in that area. Back then it was the problem to get enough good signal. Has the situation changed radically here for non-invasive electrodes or portable detectors?
I understand that the approach would be to turn weak signal, context, and LLM based signal processing into useful human computer interaction. For everything else, I have the feeling we are still in speculative territory.
dudefeliciano [3 hidden]5 mins ago
well she is only 23 so naivete would make sense, although it looks like she held some AI safety roles so...
symfoniq [3 hidden]5 mins ago
In the same way that “Anthropic” apparently means misanthropic, we can probably add “AI safety” to the list of newspeak.
mosura [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I think this is actually marginally less evil than Meta Tribe. The whole neuro space is dangerous and while people go on about “AI safety” the world will trend towards this madness.
And this will provoke “well we need to regulate AI then”. No, you need to regulate poking around in people’s brains without asking them before that becomes normal.
pstuart [3 hidden]5 mins ago
TIL -- dear god that's terrifying. I get that there's likely a lot of valuable and legitimate work that could come out of it, but I wouldn't trust Zuck as far as I could throw him out a window.
nee1r [3 hidden]5 mins ago
are you specifically focused on non-invasive methods/why? seems like you reach a noise barrier which limits things like this
foolswisdom [3 hidden]5 mins ago
From the article
> It’s hard to collect enough data using invasive methods. Few people want a chip in their brain! But non-invasive methods are getting much better. The hardware is improving and getting cheaper, though I apologize for being vague about the particularities of our hardware.
RobertDeNiro [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This is doomed to fail. Dry EEG electrodes basically only capture noise.
drivebyhooting [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You know how a microphone can also serve as a speaker?
Can this technology also do text to thought?
chasd00 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
sure would be cool to transfer memories. Then we'd be able to download how to fly a helicopter.pdf right to our brains like in the matrix.
goatlover [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Pretty sure that also involves tuning your motor control in your hand and arm. It's like thinking a download into your brain would make you a successful athlete.
amoe_ [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'd like to think that actually-existing-telepathy would be a more transformative technology than something that simply allows people to do their existing work more conveniently.
zorked [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I hope you are unsuccessful in your authoritarian, dystopian enterprise.
foobarian [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If it doesn't work try thinking in Russian
baron3dl [3 hidden]5 mins ago
who holds the copyright on the transcriptions of my thoughts read by this hardware? what license to those do you impose through EULA? what privacy controls need to be invented to prevent literal thought police?
dudefeliciano [3 hidden]5 mins ago
if you get an earworm you will have to pay royalties
yunnpp [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> In a couple years, the main way we'll talk with our AIs is with our thoughts. They will not be a super-smart automated intern or coworker that you desperately try to keep up with. They will be a natural, joyful extension of you.
Ah, yes, very joyful indeed.
Also, fuck those interns! They're just too smart to keep up with.
cormorant [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Never mind "how could this go wrong". How could this go right?
Up and to the right, to be more specific. Transcend your one-dimensional thinking, Razengan.
platevoltage [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I can't wait for this tech to be incorporated into corporate productivity trackers that seem to be getting more popular.
gverrilla [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> My AI is a natural extension of me. It feels like a sixth sense and another limb. I wonder about a problem, feel as though I’m literally surfing the web, see glimpses of the websites, get flashes of intuition about the problem, and ultimately derive the answer. It feels fun! My brain is like the Flash. Because of write tech, my thinking is the fastest it's ever been even when I turn my AI off.
I read "race conditions" all over this vision.
mcfdoesdev [3 hidden]5 mins ago
My thoughts being beamed to a frontier model where they are monetizable (and used for training) is terrifying.
gorgolo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They will also want to beam back the response straight back into your brain one day.
dudefeliciano [3 hidden]5 mins ago
it's in the article, around 2030 the device should be able to write and "make changes to the brain: hear audio, or tell the brain to use more calories" ...and later she envisions chatGPT becoming an extension of the brain like a sixth sense.
prerok [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The future is Borg.
mcfdoesdev [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I am locutus.
goatlover [3 hidden]5 mins ago
No worries, I'm sure there won't be Flock cameras reading your thought crimes as you drive/walk by.
rvz [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Translation:
"I am a former-OpenAI employee and looking for investors to fund my AI startup."
ACCount37 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> non-invasive
Dead in the water.
It's like an omlette. Can't make a neural interface worth a damn without cracking open a few skulls.
jjtheblunt [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> Can't make a neural interface worth a damn without cracking open a few skulls.
I immediately thought, ironically, your neurology wrote that with a computer and HN humans' neurologies read it with computers.
m4ck_ [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Maybe I’m just demented but i feel like the first time I interface with chatgpt via telepathy it’s going to see my thoughts when the guy in the cube behind me farts or chews loudly, and send the FBI.
What a terrible idea.
baal80spam [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If this dystopian future is ever to come, I think those dates need a +100.
agajews [3 hidden]5 mins ago
exciting! you could imagine brain transcriptions being very high signal RLHF data that could help align models more deeply to human preference.
slumpt_ [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I don't think I've ever been so viscerally revolted by the vision of a company.
> My AI is a natural extension of me. It feels like a sixth sense and another limb. I wonder about a problem, feel as though I’m literally surfing the web, see glimpses of the websites, get flashes of intuition about the problem, and ultimately derive the answer.
We call this AI psychosis.
Yeesh. I guess that makes one of us. Truly one of the more horrifying short stories I’ve read.
I cannot comprehend the output from AI fast enough for the speed difference between a verbal and thought response to matter.
Not to mention the privacy nightmare of logging my raw thoughts in a corporate environment and potentially routing them to an LLM provider.
>Thought-to-text, aka telepathy
No, that's not telepathy. I'd leave the term alone. Consider it to be reserved for... well... telepathy!
But sure, you're right. Reading is not a deterministic/injective mapping of text to thoughts.
Apart from the trouble of defining what a thought is, independent from the person who thinks it.
Me thinking of grabbing a mug of coffee is a different thought from you doing the same... defining "thought" pulls in a whole jungle of epistemology (maybe I should say philosophy, more broadly, I'm not in the field).
Is there an abstract concept of "the thought of raising your left index finger"? Or "the thought of remembering severe pain"? Etc etc
ever since Elon did his "promise full self-driving every year" thing, entrepreneurs been on a weird sort of fiction escalator.
thought-to-text is incredible. imagine doing something that remarkable with your life and feeling the need to exaggerate.
How much are those people making to be able to afford things like this?
Under current US law, can people entering the US be subjected to mind-reading?
When we have GPT-7 it will still do AI-speak?!
- still annoyed by AI-speak
What a bold vision!
The only thing I would actually want this for would be a dream logger. Extremely invasive and quite dangerous otherwise.
It doesn’t even really need to work of course.
Unfortunately I think this is inevitable because as a species we perform a steady march toward collective desires for items of science fiction, so start your adversarial double-think practice now.
In a couple years?! Get over the technical hurdles, do you think PEOPLE will be ready to telepathically talk to a computer in A COUPLE OF YEARS?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jroQCyWwEgE
Neuralink exists since 10 years, is in clinical trial, has been implanted on a living human being in 2 years ago.
The lack of adults in the room to set rules around moral hazard is hardly her generation's fault.
What collapse of web 2.0?
Technically the website we're on is web 2.0 because we're interacting as users.
I don't think it's naiveté on their part to want to build new things. I think you're just jaded and hyperfocusing on the negatives.
It is been 10 years ago when I looked through some research in that area. Back then it was the problem to get enough good signal. Has the situation changed radically here for non-invasive electrodes or portable detectors?
I understand that the approach would be to turn weak signal, context, and LLM based signal processing into useful human computer interaction. For everything else, I have the feeling we are still in speculative territory.
And this will provoke “well we need to regulate AI then”. No, you need to regulate poking around in people’s brains without asking them before that becomes normal.
> It’s hard to collect enough data using invasive methods. Few people want a chip in their brain! But non-invasive methods are getting much better. The hardware is improving and getting cheaper, though I apologize for being vague about the particularities of our hardware.
Can this technology also do text to thought?
Ah, yes, very joyful indeed.
Also, fuck those interns! They're just too smart to keep up with.
I read "race conditions" all over this vision.
"I am a former-OpenAI employee and looking for investors to fund my AI startup."
Dead in the water.
It's like an omlette. Can't make a neural interface worth a damn without cracking open a few skulls.
I immediately thought, ironically, your neurology wrote that with a computer and HN humans' neurologies read it with computers.
What a terrible idea.