This just adds fuel to the fire favoring police location apps, where users who spot police vehicles, in this case DPS vehicles post on their app and all app users receive notifications, so anybody nearby can turn off their cellphones - - or, "clam them up" in a ball of 50 layers of aluminum foil slit on the side.
Of course, police will merely start placing hardware in inconspicuous vehicles then.
What if there was a way to massively FLOOD these devices with spurious data though?
randycupertino [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Answer: Military Grade surveillance tech
> Naturally, it wasn’t just $4.5 million for four 2026 Chevy Tahoes, though the SUVs themselves were still bizarrely expensive at $150,000 a piece. Here’s how the purchase order breaks down:
- FalcoNet Core System (x4): $2,850,000
- Unlicensed FalcoNet core system: $200,000
- Delta 5G Perpetual license for FalcoNet V (x4): $280,000
The obvious question then becomes why 4 military-grade surveillance Tech Tahoes are needed.
Was three not enough for the current demand for military grade surveillance by the police?
Why is there so much demand for military grade surveillance? Is there a better way to address that core need?
A million bucks buys a lot of essential services.
ronsor [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Every police station needs to be a mini-CIA, surely.
WillPostForFood [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It is 4 trucks for the state police, and it is a big state.
nilamo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
4 trucks... That can intercept and record all nearby 5g traffic? That's not even useful for police lmao
OutOfHere [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Mass surveillance is prohibited by the Constitution. The majority of the funds went toward it.
fhdkweig [3 hidden]5 mins ago
State or federal constitution?
OutOfHere [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It is prohibited by the nation's Constitution which overrules all contained regions. The contained regions can add further restrictions, not lower them.
fhdkweig [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'm pretty sure that surveillance is not mentioned in the US Constitution. They didn't really have a concept of surveillance. Can you quote the line?
alwa [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Maybe so, but four physical trucks, interpreting physical radio waves in their immediate vicinity, allocated across the whole state of Texas… that’s “targeted,” not “mass.”
CWuestefeld [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'm pretty sure you're misunderstanding the definition of "targeted". It has nothing to do with the total capacity of the system, it's about the ability differentiate a specific target from everything else.
The design of these systems is the opposite of that: they're intended to intercept everything within their reach. The fact that with only four devices, their reach isn't (yet) so great has no bearing.
alwa [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It’s the “within their reach” that constitutes the targeting, it seems to me. Maybe “particularized scrutiny” is a better word?
Each fancy radio can only be in one place at one time, and presumably with a human operator in the vehicle or wearing the backpack. Which emulates a cell tower, not all tens of thousands of them in the state simultaneously.
That feels much more like “DUI checkpoint checking all cars on this road at this time,” or “canvassing the neighborhood around the crime,” or “the stadium operator invited the cops into the security office to watch their CCTV feeds during the big game.” Precipitated on some reason—maybe not the specific human, but something that’s different about that place and time that warrants a human targeting their attention there.
As opposed to the network-level, “all communications between all people all the time just in case” that constituted the “mass” surveillance that Snowden described (and Flock has since innovated and extended to the physical world).
yourapostasy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Maybe the Chevy Tahoes were priced as the initial capex, and a maintenance and support contract covering capex and opex for the next X years with a local dealership? I’ve sometimes seen this in corporate budgeting. Some companies prefer to lock in support and maintenance in advance for a more expensive fixed price instead of pay a variable but lower price over the same time period because of the budgeting vagaries that entails.
Considering the amount of time and the number of expensive management staff involved in them I’ve seen some budgeting knife fights burn up, I see the logic.
pyuser583 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Wait I read the memo - it said “duty of care.” That’s powerful rhetoric but really narrow and well defined legalese.
I checked, and Texas police only have a duty of care in narrow situations: if someone requires emergency medical care, they must call an ambulance; if they are driving an emergency vehicle, they must do so safely.
That’s about it. There’s no “general duty of care” obligation.
Maybe they’re just using scary sounding language, or maybe this narrow clause is being interpreted to grant the police much larger powers.
But “duty of care” is usually intended to hold someone accountable.
bob1029 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I find it amusing how ineffective all of this stuff becomes if you simply leave your phone at home. No one is doing the hard kind of police work anymore.
SoftTalker [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Most criminals are dumb, some of them not only carry their phones with them, they even post their crimes on social media. With that and Flock I would think police work has never been easier.
throw0101a [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> With that and Flock I would think police work has never been easier.
Both can be true but it’s unclear if both are true, and it also depends on what one considers “dumb”
wat10000 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It also depends on what you consider to be “criminal.” I’d wager most shoplifters are dumb. Most supervisors who engage in wage theft aren’t dumb. But that’s not the kind of person who comes to mind when we think “criminal.”
lotsofpulp [3 hidden]5 mins ago
There are two kinds of people in the world. Criminals, and criminals with plausible deniability.
hackable_sand [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Now we're getting somewhere.
Hikikomori [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Cops are lazy and dumb as well. They use flock to find people in the area and accuse them of crimes they didn't commit.
alwa [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They also use flock to find and accuse people who did commit crimes and accuse them of having done so.
They also find and accuse people of crimes they didn’t commit without using Flock.
They also use Flock to skip accusing people who they might have suspected if it weren’t for Flock evidence that exonerates them.
It seems like any meaningful analysis needs to consider the rates of all four combinations of {true|false} {accusations|exonerations}, and compare that matrix to the matrix for the status quo techniques.
mmooss [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Another story in the same publication is about one of their writers being arrested because of Flock cameras (falsely IDing their test-drive car).
OutOfHere [3 hidden]5 mins ago
A core issue as I see it is that the police has too much money. Why are people willingly paying so much in taxes? Why don't people move to lower tax cities and counties? Granted, fines also contribute to their income.
There are ways of lowering crime that don't require police militarization, some of which are covered in https://youtu.be/YJTPGu2E4qk.
mike_bob [3 hidden]5 mins ago
As a country, we spend nearly as much on domestic police (~$250B) as China does on their military each year. And from what I've seen, there is no correlation with increases in police spending and drops in crime rates. It's pretty disturbing if you think about it.
eclipticplane [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's a mass jobs program with a powerful set of unions behind it.
mmooss [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's an interesting question: Isn't Texas widely marketed as a 'low tax area'?
It may be a 'low income tax area', with more regressive taxes used to fund the state and an equal or higher total? Texans need to pay for the same things, generally, as people in Massachusetts (though maybe they don't invest as much in schools, health care, etc.).
ck2 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I realize this particular case is state level but at the federal level $21 TRILLION has been spent on militarization including police forces from 2001-2021
enough is enough, it is beyond ridiculous, imagine how much food, clothing, shelter and healthcare that could have bought instead
mindslight [3 hidden]5 mins ago
And what do we get for it? Cops that think they are in the military, acting as a hostile occupation force and killing our own citizens. Their personal urges should have led them to put up (join the actual military) or shut up (don't). Instead they were given an easier and safer option that requires all of the bravado of shooting fish in a barrel, so they took it.
NelsonMinar [3 hidden]5 mins ago
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Catloafdev [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If you read the rest of the article, it breaks down the cost, it's not a misleading title.
wat10000 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Except it was. They didn’t spend over $1 million/vehicle on stock Tahoes, but that’s what they cost when fully customized for this force.
> Naturally, it wasn’t just $4.5 million for four 2026 Chevy Tahoes, though the SUVs themselves were still bizarrely expensive at $150,000 a piece. Here’s how the purchase order breaks down:
- FalcoNet Core System (x4): $2,850,000
- Unlicensed FalcoNet core system: $200,000
- Delta 5G Perpetual license for FalcoNet V (x4): $280,000
- 2026 Chevrolet Tahoe (x4): $600,000
- FalcoNet Backpack core V2 – 6 x BTS (2G/3G/4G/5G): $355,500
- Flexable [sic] antenna kit: $27,000
- Cognyte PA Ranger: $105,000
- Unlicensed FalcoNet Backpack core V2 – 6 x BTS (2G/3G/4G/5G): $70,000
- Total PO Amount: $4,487,500
Was three not enough for the current demand for military grade surveillance by the police?
Why is there so much demand for military grade surveillance? Is there a better way to address that core need?
A million bucks buys a lot of essential services.
The design of these systems is the opposite of that: they're intended to intercept everything within their reach. The fact that with only four devices, their reach isn't (yet) so great has no bearing.
Each fancy radio can only be in one place at one time, and presumably with a human operator in the vehicle or wearing the backpack. Which emulates a cell tower, not all tens of thousands of them in the state simultaneously.
That feels much more like “DUI checkpoint checking all cars on this road at this time,” or “canvassing the neighborhood around the crime,” or “the stadium operator invited the cops into the security office to watch their CCTV feeds during the big game.” Precipitated on some reason—maybe not the specific human, but something that’s different about that place and time that warrants a human targeting their attention there.
As opposed to the network-level, “all communications between all people all the time just in case” that constituted the “mass” surveillance that Snowden described (and Flock has since innovated and extended to the physical world).
Considering the amount of time and the number of expensive management staff involved in them I’ve seen some budgeting knife fights burn up, I see the logic.
I checked, and Texas police only have a duty of care in narrow situations: if someone requires emergency medical care, they must call an ambulance; if they are driving an emergency vehicle, they must do so safely.
That’s about it. There’s no “general duty of care” obligation.
Maybe they’re just using scary sounding language, or maybe this narrow clause is being interpreted to grant the police much larger powers.
But “duty of care” is usually intended to hold someone accountable.
“A policeman's job is only easy in a police state.” — Touch of Evil (1958), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfgNNfnNAa8
You mean most criminals who get caught?
They also find and accuse people of crimes they didn’t commit without using Flock.
They also use Flock to skip accusing people who they might have suspected if it weren’t for Flock evidence that exonerates them.
It seems like any meaningful analysis needs to consider the rates of all four combinations of {true|false} {accusations|exonerations}, and compare that matrix to the matrix for the status quo techniques.
There are ways of lowering crime that don't require police militarization, some of which are covered in https://youtu.be/YJTPGu2E4qk.
It may be a 'low income tax area', with more regressive taxes used to fund the state and an equal or higher total? Texans need to pay for the same things, generally, as people in Massachusetts (though maybe they don't invest as much in schools, health care, etc.).
https://ips-dc.org/report-state-of-insecurity-cost-militariz...
enough is enough, it is beyond ridiculous, imagine how much food, clothing, shelter and healthcare that could have bought instead