I own a G90 M5. While definitely a heavy car, I love having best of both worlds on demand. Having driven 7 different Tesla's previously as daily drivers, there is something convenient about being able to fill up extremely quickly when on road trips. My only issue with it is the small gas tank which means I have to refill it once a week currently with the way I drive.

I really don't like BMW's direction with Neue Klasse. It just looks stupid for the sake of being different.

It’s a shame it’s quite possibly the ugliest car I’ve seen in a long time.

Interesting, I find it to be more pleasing than many recent BMW EVs I've seen. I was preparing to not like it as I clicked the link and was pleasantly surprised. Don't love the tail lights, but otherwise it's good/fine to my eye.

What exactly do you find particularly ugly on this car?

The only thing that is a bit weird to me are the headlights, otherwise I quite like the look.

I am a great example of how true this is. I wanted an electric car, I wanted a BMW for a long time, I tried to convince myself to buy one for months but couldn't get over how ugly they were. Why do companies destroy their iconic designs when they go electric? So sick of "space car" designs for electric.

It's also just a ginormous hunk of metal. Which also makes the long range kinda moot, strapping a bigger battery will of course result in a bigger range. I'm guessing the car doesn't make any improvements on the efficiency?

Elon Musk would love it lol

dang that's nice but what's up with the Elon's X logo on the lights?

That's prior art if there ever was prior art. It's just unicode U+1D54F

sure, but no other unicode has a multi-million dollar branding campaign behind it ;)

Xitter? It used to be called Twitter, but the T crossbeam came loose and down.. sorry

Realistically $100k for a 5 series.

...except self driving, where Tesla and Waymo have enormous leads

Only had a handful of Waymo experiences but a lot more with Tesla. Tesla may be leading but is still not great. Driven over 100k miles in autopilot and roughly 30k in FSD miles, you still need manual intervention about 5-10 percent of the time for various reasons.

Waymo has a lead. Tesla's lead is about the same as a Roomba's.

Seriously though, if you're considering an EV, please give the traditional US/EU/JP/KR automakers a chance. Don't try to help the planet in one way while staking its heart in another.

>Tesla's lead is about the same as a Roomba's.

What is this supposed to mean? Tesla and Roomba are in separate industries.

I have an iX, the predecessor for these. The freeway automatic mode works well, that’s all I really want.

Holding tesla to the same standard as waymo is a wild take.

I've done 234 Waymo rides and ~5k miles driven FSD in a Model Y (HW4), all in and around the bay area.

The gap isn't that big. Tesla still needs supervision (most around navigation honestly). Waymo's have definitely done some really dumb things.

Waymo's certainly feel safer but if I had to choose which was the better "human driver" I'd put it on Tesla.

I'm curious what is in your rubric to determine that a self driving car that doesn't need supervision is a worse driver than a car that does, by your own admission, need supervision.

The battery is warranted for 8 years or 100,000 miles and you are a simple internet search away from many articles on how long EV batteries are lasting (which is generally quite long).

There is o evidence the typical EV will need a battery replacement within its useful life. The Leaf is the only EV with that problem, everyone else so far seems to be doing well as a battery is a lifetime part.

Only time will tell, but that is what our current data says.

I'm sure there will be exceptions but they are collectors who keep a car for 100 years.

There have been a few highly publicized situations where the pack gets damaged (road damage), and is not covered. The replacement is more the new car.

I think it’s overblown. A combination of it all just being new and getting figured out, and manufacturers selling the cars at a loss (for various reasons), but not the spare parts.