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22-year-old Mozart's handwritten notebook unearthed in 'major discovery'

206 points by thunderbong - 61 comments
bit_economist [3 hidden]5 mins ago
There is not a single citation in this article, even though it uses quotations.

Here is a more reputable article for this news story: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/22/arts/music/mozart-music-f...

Insanity [3 hidden]5 mins ago
At least they didn't use quotation marks for "emphasis".
genxy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If you like a discovered manuscript story, you should see "In the Hands of Dante", great movie.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1333644/

This review doesn't spoil the movie https://www.theguardian.com/film/2026/jun/19/in-the-hand-of-...

Side note, imdb's per country rating histograms are mesmerizing https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1333644/ratings/ how different the Iranian ratings are vs the UK.

thrill [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That looks pretty engaging - all the right people hate it.
LeoPanthera [3 hidden]5 mins ago
"It is a sobering thought that when Mozart was my age, he had been dead for two years."

Tom Lehrer.

NooneAtAll3 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Mozart lived for 35 years

Lehrer did 97

palmotea [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> Lehrer did [sic] 97

FYI, most people speak the vast majority of their quotes before the day they die.

hbn [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Unfortunately for Lehrer he embarrassed himself in his final words by misremembering how long Mozart lived
simonh [3 hidden]5 mins ago
He’ll never live it down.
lubujackson [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Classic old guy
VeninVidiaVicii [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.
latexr [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I sure hope they speak all of them before they die. Bit hard to understand a corpse.
irishcoffee [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It is possible Lehrer said that before his last day on earth. Sometime around age 37 would make sense.
assimpleaspossi [3 hidden]5 mins ago
In fact, I had the original album from the 1960s and, yes, that's where I heard the line.
ggm [3 hidden]5 mins ago
(Lehrer was a mathematician) he did the maths! Well.. arithmetic.
SoftTalker [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Was that the new math or the old?
gcanyon [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> the Duke failed to pay Mozart for his work

You stiffed Mozart!? A curse on your ghost!

MyHonestOpinon [3 hidden]5 mins ago
While interesting. Is it a 'Major discovery' ?
Mistletoe [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They aren’t making more Mozart notebooks so probably.
wvbdmp [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Apparently this was an exercise book he made for a parisian tutee, who later fled the french revolution, leading to the confiscation of the notebook by the revolutionaries.
yayoohooyahoo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That's exactly what the article says... so yes apparently that's what it is
stinkbeetle [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I have it on good authority that it is a handwritten notebook.
palmotea [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> I have it on good authority that it is a handwritten notebook.

I'm suspicious. Didn't Mozart use a word processor?

I mean, not a PC program, that would be ridiculous, but one of those dedicated stand-alone word processor systems (like Smith-Corona made) that they used in ancient times.

CWuestefeld [3 hidden]5 mins ago
One of my pet peeves is what seems to be an overwhelming desire in writers to always put an adjective in front of every noun. You can never just let it be a "notebook", it has to be some kind of notebook.

It's even worse in product naming and advertising. Nothing can be just "vanilla", you have to even put an adjective in front of your adjectives, like "Mexican vanilla".

EDIT: s/verb/noun/

loloquwowndueo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Rich Corinthian leather! My dude!
rob74 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Note-book, as in "book containing musical notes". I expected a regular notebook (for the other kind of notes, that people like you and me might write)...
mpfect [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Turns out "technical debt" also applies to national archives.
jfengel [3 hidden]5 mins ago
More than you can possibly imagine. There are warehouses full of unread papers. Any one of which could contain a reference to somebody or something important.

There was a recently discovered letter, possibly to Shakespeare's wife, which would completely change our understanding of their marriage, and even the way his plays depict women. The only way to find such things is by hordes of grad students trudging their way through fragile paper and messy handwriting.

mmooss [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I hate to say it, but might LLMs transform archival work? Not by replacing researchers, but by inputting everything (or orders of magnitude more than we could previously) and outputting to the researcher a prioritized list of documents / etc to examine?
computerdork [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Oh, wow, that is actually an interesting application of ai
HugoMoran [3 hidden]5 mins ago
seems like more of a minor discovery to me
alkyon [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Seven previously unknown compositions for flute and harp is not minor
thrill [3 hidden]5 mins ago
don't fret over dark keys
listenfaster [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The library where the discovery was made:

https://www.bnf.fr/en/actualitesEN/discovery-unpublished-aut...

I’m hoping that a full scan appears in the archive linked at the bottom of the page. I’m a composer and still hand-notate in a notebook. It’s so cool to the penmanship of someone writing in notebooks so quickly yet cleanly. In case you didn’t read, the contents are primarily exercises in composition where Mozart began a passage, the student continued, and Mozart corrected / guided the students work where needed. So there’s a higher percentage of Mozart in the pieces here than not. Like Brundlefly.

throwpoaster [3 hidden]5 mins ago
mrighele [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I love his handwriting style. I wonder if it was the first draft or a copy [1]

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkqfpkTTy2w

coliveira [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Composers were also handwriting masters. Bach also had incredible handwriting, there's a youtube channel about it.
SoftTalker [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Schools used to spend a lot of time on penmanship. I visited a high school where they had a wall of notes left by each senior class. In the notes from the 1950s the writing was quite refined and looked very practiced, and notes left by kids in the 2020s looked like 2nd grade printing by comparison. I don't think cursive handwriting is really even taught/required anymore.

I can imagine that in the time of Bach or Mozart that writing was a big point of emphasis in schools.

spacechild1 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Beethoven certainly wasn't.
breezybottom [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You've named one composer who is. I don't see where the inductive step applies.
rob74 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The composers who didn't have neat handwriting are forgotten today because nobody could read their (musical) notes...
Arainach [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This is simply not true. Look at Beethoven's manuscripts for instance.

https://guides.loc.gov/beethoven/manuscripts

globular-toast [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Wow. Can we even be sure we're listening to the right thing? Is it actually possible to read this unambiguously or is there an element of context when reading music, similar to how if you're reading prose the next word is probably grammatically correct and makes sense?
Fritatta [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Exactly. The context makes it all pretty clear. Music has its own grammar, and particularly music of the common practice era from about 1650-1930.
JasonFruit [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I see you've never worked your way through a manuscript by Donizetti.
K2Short [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I hope we get to hear his new/old music. That would be amazing
nasso_dev [3 hidden]5 mins ago
french radio "France Musique" aired it the other day, i don't know if its available outside of france though
mmmattt [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It was also played live for Fête de la musique in Paris last Sunday.
throwpoaster [3 hidden]5 mins ago
jansan [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Let's hope it is more authentic than the Hitler Diaries[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Diaries

dcminter [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Any time something of popular historical interest like this pops up I think about that.

If you've not read it then Robert Harris's (factual) book about the affair is entertaining, not least because such a broad sweep of dislikeable characters were undone by greed and folly!

spacechild1 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The whole affair was bizarre. At one point Kujau, the author of the fake diaries, ran out of ideas and let Hitler complain about his flatulence.

There is also a very funny German movie about it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schtonk!) The director later said that he intentionally omitted some facts about the real scandal because the audience would find it too far fetched.

dcminter [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I think my favourite aspect of the tale (at least as Harris tells it) is that Kujau was such a bad forger, and the recipients wanted it all to be true so badly that they skipped several opportunities to actually check!

I shall see if I can find Schtonk! with subtitles, sounds up my alley.

ggm [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Confiscated during the revolution, kept by the national library. That's a bit different to "forged on schoolbooks with a Bic pen" provenance-wise.
bell-cot [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Even inside the tiny niche of the classical music history world, a book of daily exercises - written for some now-obscure student, and owned by a national library - is actually a pretty minor thing.

Very few counterfeiters bother doing nickles and dimes.

NopIdoN [3 hidden]5 mins ago
BTW the metal in a nickel is worth about 7 cents.
estetlinus [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> By coincidence, Goy had been looking at other documents Mozart had written for teaching just weeks earlier

Color me sceptical

bell-cot [3 hidden]5 mins ago
He was a niche-specialty career archivist, sorting through his library's collection of stuff from the right era and area. That is the discovery story behind a rather large fraction of such documents.
estetlinus [3 hidden]5 mins ago
So not much a coincidence I’d say. Very much by design.
nok22kon [3 hidden]5 mins ago
parallel construction
abstractspoon [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Anyone remember the Hitler diaries?