It's impressive for the project to have come so far. Between the oversimplified, hyper-opinionated GNOME, the rock-solid but dull and minimal XFCE, the nostalgic MATE, and whatever Enlightenment is doing these days, it’s nice to have a continually polished, modern, well-integrated yet customisable experience like KDE, even today. And save for Akonadi (which just never seems to work reliably, rendering software like KMail useless), it’s been a pretty stable one for me, too. Here’s to another 30 years!
pelagicAustral [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I will donate my entire pension if they make it so I can have a Windows 2000 theme that actually works and doesnt require me to hack a dozen files each time they push and update.
Gualdrapo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I think you will be able to achieve that when Union is released. I hate SVG theming in Plasma so much that I root for Union to be successful
iLoveOncall [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I feel quite repulsed by the fact that the first thing you see when opening the post is a huge donation card.
edit: I appreciate the quality of discussion below, so far.
chekibreki [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I lament the times when open source projects were open source software projects instead of political platforms for people who arrogantly think that their private political opinion is important enough to overshadow the project they participate in.
This will undoubtedly create tensions and will lead to fewer donations, thus having a negative impact on KDE.
sham1 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The Free Software community has always been political. Where have you been?
Introducing a non-binary mascot for KDE is no more or less political than for example Richard Stallman demanding that printer drivers should be free, back in the 1980s. And same way the use and preference of the term "open source" over "free software" -- or vice versa -- is also very political because it depends on if one wants to go with the described values or not necessarily want to stand behind them.
The Free software community involves people, and with people come shared values and politics. That's kinda what "community" implies. And if we really want to go into it, given the circumstances of the invention of things like computers, the Internet, etc. it'd be very erroneous to asset that software in general has ever been value-free or non-political. Computing artillery trajectories is political just the same way as promotion of LGBTQ+ people, even if people get more upset about the latter rather than the more kinetic kinds of politics implied by howitzers et al.
chekibreki [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Your comparison is dishonest and wrong. printer drivers are a piece of software, sexual orientation is completely disconnected from software or technology.
enragedcacti [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's Pride Month and the organization is doing Pride things, its not that complicated.
> This will undoubtedly create tensions and will lead to fewer donations, thus having a negative impact on KDE.
"undoubtedly" is absurd here. Does KDE really have a stable of consistent transphobes donating? Do they outweigh additional donations from supporting the LGBTQ community?
Regardless, if the only point of KDE were to make money it wouldn't be a non-profit. Extremely passionate people are often passionate about a lot of things beyond just what you want from them. KDE is a community project and that community loves and accepts non-binary people.
mhurron [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> open source software projects instead of political platforms
OSS and FOSS movements themselves were political platforms, so this has never been true. Your problem is that you just have some issue with this one
steve1977 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
For many people open source is political.
graypegg [3 hidden]5 mins ago
With all due respect: it is just a picture of a cute lizard.
Thinking practically, having a male and female lizard is sort of inconvenient for a mascot, since leaving one out is a message in itself. Having a genderless mascot with art assets ready to go makes practical sense to me.
adjfasn47573 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> since leaving one out is a message in itself
Side question: why would having a male or female mascot be "a message in itself"? Why do people want to see a message, and especially a $currentDayPolitics one, in every single thing? A mascot can be a cute mascot without having to represent anything more than exactly that.
Just as a random example: Let's say some OG founder of a project had a cute dog named Laila, and the project makes this dog its mascot. Why should that be a problem, AT ALL?
And what's even worse, if you think this "everything has a message and we have to be super careful what the message is" thing through, the conclusion is: No project ever again can have a solely male or female mascot. Which is of course absurd.
And this whole "we need to send the RIGHT message" thing falls apart with time anyway, because what the right message is, WILL change over time. You're not at the end of all human enlightenment.
graypegg [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I mean it's not a HUGE issue by any means, just sort of inconvenient.
Like, most mascots aren't in gendered pairs normally (like your dog example!), you just have 1 option to represent the thing. People see Laila the dog and think "oh yeah, LailaOS".
But given you have 2 mascots, with 1 being pretty ambiguous, but the other being dressed in a pink dress with bows, it does mean you probably want to use both when presenting KDE, just so you're not accidentally saying "this is the KDE event for men" or "this is the KDE event for women". If you made your mascot the AIGA bathroom symbols, you'd have the same issue.
My thinking about the "right" message is just that... I don't think that's what they want to tell people right now, in our current time. Everyone can use KDE. It's not a historical impact sort of thing.
Again, not a huge issue really. Just seems practical. Hopefully I'm getting that across. Sorry if I'm not.
retardsinoss [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Why is my OS mascot non-binary? Why does a cartoon dino have to worry about it's gender? Is it wondering if it should mutilate itself?
jl6 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They could have hung a Star of David pendant around its neck and it would still have been “just” a cute lizard, and surely only an anti-Semite would object to such neutral, normalizing messaging?
mongol [3 hidden]5 mins ago
No it is not just a picture, it is also a descriptive text and specific emojis attached. I don't think anyone would have raised an eye if it was just for the picture.
F3nd0 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The presented mascot is not genderless, but non-binary. The situation you describe has hardly improved with their introduction.
voidfunc [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I used to think this way but with the rise of fascism pretty much everywhere I think it's important to know what I am consuming and what they support now.
Is it perfect? No. Does it piss some people off? Probably, and I don't care.
Also it's a cute fucking lizard.
stusmall [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Honestly, when was open source not political? Look at early GNU writing. The topics have change but it being political absolutely have not.
thewebguyd [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Minor nitpick but s/open source/free software
But yes, the free software movement is political, and the FSF is by all intents a political organization with a specific political goal and message.
Politics is multifaceted, it doesn't purely relate to government either. Politics is how humans decide who gets what, when and how. You can't run a community or organization without politics.
retardsinoss [3 hidden]5 mins ago
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voidfunc [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Found the edge lord. You gotta step up your troll game, this is weak. Grok can do better.
doubletwoyou [3 hidden]5 mins ago
What are you talking about mate? It’s just a cute little mascot?
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edit: I appreciate the quality of discussion below, so far.
This will undoubtedly create tensions and will lead to fewer donations, thus having a negative impact on KDE.
Introducing a non-binary mascot for KDE is no more or less political than for example Richard Stallman demanding that printer drivers should be free, back in the 1980s. And same way the use and preference of the term "open source" over "free software" -- or vice versa -- is also very political because it depends on if one wants to go with the described values or not necessarily want to stand behind them.
The Free software community involves people, and with people come shared values and politics. That's kinda what "community" implies. And if we really want to go into it, given the circumstances of the invention of things like computers, the Internet, etc. it'd be very erroneous to asset that software in general has ever been value-free or non-political. Computing artillery trajectories is political just the same way as promotion of LGBTQ+ people, even if people get more upset about the latter rather than the more kinetic kinds of politics implied by howitzers et al.
> This will undoubtedly create tensions and will lead to fewer donations, thus having a negative impact on KDE.
"undoubtedly" is absurd here. Does KDE really have a stable of consistent transphobes donating? Do they outweigh additional donations from supporting the LGBTQ community?
Regardless, if the only point of KDE were to make money it wouldn't be a non-profit. Extremely passionate people are often passionate about a lot of things beyond just what you want from them. KDE is a community project and that community loves and accepts non-binary people.
OSS and FOSS movements themselves were political platforms, so this has never been true. Your problem is that you just have some issue with this one
Thinking practically, having a male and female lizard is sort of inconvenient for a mascot, since leaving one out is a message in itself. Having a genderless mascot with art assets ready to go makes practical sense to me.
Side question: why would having a male or female mascot be "a message in itself"? Why do people want to see a message, and especially a $currentDayPolitics one, in every single thing? A mascot can be a cute mascot without having to represent anything more than exactly that.
Just as a random example: Let's say some OG founder of a project had a cute dog named Laila, and the project makes this dog its mascot. Why should that be a problem, AT ALL?
And what's even worse, if you think this "everything has a message and we have to be super careful what the message is" thing through, the conclusion is: No project ever again can have a solely male or female mascot. Which is of course absurd.
And this whole "we need to send the RIGHT message" thing falls apart with time anyway, because what the right message is, WILL change over time. You're not at the end of all human enlightenment.
Like, most mascots aren't in gendered pairs normally (like your dog example!), you just have 1 option to represent the thing. People see Laila the dog and think "oh yeah, LailaOS".
But given you have 2 mascots, with 1 being pretty ambiguous, but the other being dressed in a pink dress with bows, it does mean you probably want to use both when presenting KDE, just so you're not accidentally saying "this is the KDE event for men" or "this is the KDE event for women". If you made your mascot the AIGA bathroom symbols, you'd have the same issue.
My thinking about the "right" message is just that... I don't think that's what they want to tell people right now, in our current time. Everyone can use KDE. It's not a historical impact sort of thing.
Again, not a huge issue really. Just seems practical. Hopefully I'm getting that across. Sorry if I'm not.
Is it perfect? No. Does it piss some people off? Probably, and I don't care.
Also it's a cute fucking lizard.
But yes, the free software movement is political, and the FSF is by all intents a political organization with a specific political goal and message.
Politics is multifaceted, it doesn't purely relate to government either. Politics is how humans decide who gets what, when and how. You can't run a community or organization without politics.