I went to the page expecting to rant about how it's not actually credit card size because of the thickness and was for once pleasantly surprised! Kudos to the author! It looks great!
deckar01 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Prologium is screen printing solid state batteries onto flexible ceramic insulators. They have some demos of single cells that appear to be thinner than 1mm continuing to operate while bent in half.
This post - the title made me remember ... ( as a credit card is about the same size as a business card )
A Linux Business Card CD is a miniature, credit-card-sized optical disc containing a stripped-down, bootable Linux operating system. They hold around 50MB to 100MB of data and were highly popular in the early-to-mid 2000s
These things were cool! I believe I had some drivers installed via some of them, and a Kubuntu livecd.
mmmehulll [3 hidden]5 mins ago
this is really cool. I didn't know we had these
lxgr [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> A fully working computer that is literally the size of a credit card.
Nit: A (chip) credit card is already a fully working computer :)
ZiiS [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Only if it is inside a specially designed radio field and with no independent IO. Feels like a battery and IO justify the 'fully working' differentiation.
lxgr [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Interesting philosophical question: Is a tower PC that's not plugged into anything (neither power nor a keyboard or monitor) a computer? Does computation happen if nobody can perceive it? And is a computer a computer even between two CPU cycles?
> no independent IO
I would challenge that! How is a smartcard different from a server in a qualitative sense? Both get all their I/O over the network.
Some cards even have a display, fingerprint reader, or can blink an LED (the latter unfortunately only indiscriminately when powered up, not in response to any computation, I'm afraid).
Rohansi [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Is a bare SoC a computer? You can poke the pins to provide power and I/O.
The interesting thing about this project is that this computer can function independently within a credit card sized space.
IAmBroom [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I've never heard a definition of a computer to include its power source.
IO is of course required.
krauseler [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Developer here :)
Just saw this and love how I got the 100th or so "Does it run DOOM?". Even now officially an issue on GitHub. Does that mean I now have to deliver?
Muhammad523 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> Does that mean I now have to deliver?
Well, if you'd like to, you're free to do so! If not, somebody else could do it. You're not your audience's slave
Coincidentally, the xteink x4 has the same CPU, an e-paper screen and is close to credit card sized.
zb3 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
__This__ is where all those trusted app parts should go - a smart card with e-ink display that can provide high security assurance level and where I won't mind that it's locked down because it has only one purpose.
__Not__ to my smartphone, effectively preventing me from modifying the system in the name of security. A banking app can use a card like this and on the display I could for example see where a transaction would go and then I could accept it, possibly even with a biometric identification.
This would enable me to keep my smartphone customizable and banking apps secure at the same time.
[apologies for the rant]
rbanffy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I would love if the screen could take up more space, even at the expense of a little extra thickness.
I think that there could be a wider screen if such formats are available. Once we have betavoltaic batteries, the entire card can be screen.
rbanffy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'm not sure beta voltaics will ever reach LiPo densities. All materials I know would be unwise to place in your wallet, or anywhere near your body.
If we are OK with a battery and a beta voltaic source, a tritium one is reasonably safe and can trickle charge the battery when the device is in deep low power mode. The battery can still be charged by the induction coil.
mmmehulll [3 hidden]5 mins ago
love this. would be cool if we can see and perform all kinds of banking txns on this. Think ledger but all in one card. Super cool. Even cooler would be card to card money transfer without use of swipe machines
resonious [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If "ledger on card" interests you, then you might enjoy Japan's FeliCa cards. They store balance locally on the card so you can pay very quickly, no network required.
frankest [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Try NGK EnerCera for battery.
fph [3 hidden]5 mins ago
How do you recharge it? Do you have to swap the battery?
krauseler [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Hey, developer here :)
I used an ultra thin LiPo, so you can actually charge it. USB is obviously not an option but it uses magnetic pogo pins on the back side ^^
stavros [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This is great, and I love it, and I hate to be saying this, but it's not literally the size of a credit card, it's 0.2mm thicker.
krauseler [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Fair enough, but I acknowledged that and it's 0.24mm thicker if we want to be exact. Here's a quote from my Git Repo:
"Official ISO7816 smartcards are specified at 0.76mm thickness, but many real-world cards slightly exceed this in practice. The target for this project was simple: Stay around ~1mm total thickness and preserve the illusion of a normal card."
stavros [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Hey, works for me, I just got OCD from the title's usage of the word "literally".
voidUpdate [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It seems like it might be a little expensive for a business card...
bird0861 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Let's see Paul Allen's card.
ohlookcake [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Can it run DOOM?
krauseler [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I've got the question like 100 times easily, and I love it.
And yes, if you accept ~0.7FPS
mlmonkey [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You mean, 1.5 SPF :-D :-D
iberator [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Run Unix v6 on it :) 16 bit and works with like 80kb of ram
mrbluecoat [3 hidden]5 mins ago
First thought: cool!
Second thought: e-waste
(same reaction as single-serve coffee pods, circa 2023)
krauseler [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Good point. Ideally it would be the opposite of waste if it can save you from several cards. But banks would never certify such a multi-card system unless a big company pushes it forward.
Otherwise I'm sure people might use this to hack some terminals :P
thenthenthen [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Do yourself it!
aa-jv [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I want this, but only for one thing: email.
I already use an pwnagotchi, and it works great for this - but its a bit bulky.
If I can get this set up and working, it'll be my main interface to email.
suzukivenom [3 hidden]5 mins ago
legendary
goodpoint [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's not a computer.
bigfishrunning [3 hidden]5 mins ago
In what way is it not a computer?
cbdevidal [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It’s got more horsepower than my first desktop computer
https://prologium.com/tech/core-technology/
I’d love to also go the opposite direction, a full-sized laptop with an ESP32 running tiny386 and Windows 95 ^_^
https://www.hackster.io/news/he-chunhui-s-tiny386-turns-the-...
A Linux Business Card CD is a miniature, credit-card-sized optical disc containing a stripped-down, bootable Linux operating system. They hold around 50MB to 100MB of data and were highly popular in the early-to-mid 2000s
More info at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootable_business_card
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REX_6000
Nit: A (chip) credit card is already a fully working computer :)
> no independent IO
I would challenge that! How is a smartcard different from a server in a qualitative sense? Both get all their I/O over the network.
Some cards even have a display, fingerprint reader, or can blink an LED (the latter unfortunately only indiscriminately when powered up, not in response to any computation, I'm afraid).
The interesting thing about this project is that this computer can function independently within a credit card sized space.
IO is of course required.
Just saw this and love how I got the 100th or so "Does it run DOOM?". Even now officially an issue on GitHub. Does that mean I now have to deliver?
I know it was intended as a joke but still..
Teenage Alan T. would be so disappointed... :D
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/m5stack/cardputerzero
__Not__ to my smartphone, effectively preventing me from modifying the system in the name of security. A banking app can use a card like this and on the display I could for example see where a transaction would go and then I could accept it, possibly even with a biometric identification.
This would enable me to keep my smartphone customizable and banking apps secure at the same time.
[apologies for the rant]
If we are OK with a battery and a beta voltaic source, a tritium one is reasonably safe and can trickle charge the battery when the device is in deep low power mode. The battery can still be charged by the induction coil.
I used an ultra thin LiPo, so you can actually charge it. USB is obviously not an option but it uses magnetic pogo pins on the back side ^^
"Official ISO7816 smartcards are specified at 0.76mm thickness, but many real-world cards slightly exceed this in practice. The target for this project was simple: Stay around ~1mm total thickness and preserve the illusion of a normal card."
And yes, if you accept ~0.7FPS
(same reaction as single-serve coffee pods, circa 2023)
Otherwise I'm sure people might use this to hack some terminals :P
I already use an pwnagotchi, and it works great for this - but its a bit bulky.
If I can get this set up and working, it'll be my main interface to email.