Tangent: if you use Node.js at build time you should check out VitePlus https://viteplus.dev
(No affiliation, just a fan of VoidZero's consistently excellent tools.)
KronisLV [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Oh hey, they're the people behind Oxlint and Oxfmt: https://oxc.rs/
I moved some projects over to those from ESLint + Prettier and while the compatibility isn't 100% (I didn't need that), and the time to process a codebase went from like way over a minute with the old tools to a few seconds with theirs.
rumblefrog [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Looks interesting, what's their revenue model? Or how do we know it won't be abandoned in the near future?
shimman [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The same as any other dev tool startup, once money gets tight they will monetize and users will rightfully revolt.
Evan You won't break the cycle, tale as old as time.
manniL [3 hidden]5 mins ago
VoidZero's business model is in Void, their deployment platform. Open source projects will always stay open source. This was announced at the very beginning.
I'm really looking forward to the temporal api being universally available. Moment and Luxon are fairly good but sensible date/time handling is something that really ought to be baked into the platform ootb.
jpsimons [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I always thought the old Date is kind of elegant... increment anything with an overflow and it all wraps around correctly, like `d.setDate(d.getDate() + 100)` to advance a date 100 days. "March 208th" is interpreted like you'd expect, as are the hours and minutes and such.
Of course, complete lack of non-local non-GMT time zones is a huge downside.
keeganpoppen [3 hidden]5 mins ago
i'm pretty sure all that stuff works w/ Temporal... Temporal is extremely well-designed, in my experience. the js date object, on the other hand, has insane pitfalls, and i say this as someone who thinks not understanding JS ASI is a "skill issue", among other happily-un-"ergonomic" worldviews...
culi [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Until then, a solid backfill has been available for quite some time
torgoguys [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I thought this was the release where the built in sqlite got its experimental tag removed, but I don't see it in the release notes. THAT'S got me excited more than Temporal. A stable API, huge utility and one less dependency.
sedatk [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Off-topic but, Safari seems to be the only browser that doesn't support Temporal yet. It looks like the only blocker for adopting it on web.
Node JS team should look into bun and make progress. They are somewhat stable, but bun have lot of features and is more performant than Node.
HatchedLake721 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
/s ? Bun is not yet (ever?) compatible with Node. I'm sure if Node JS could trim the fat with breaking changes they'd be fast too
xkcd-sucks [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Honest question, what isn't compatible? Where I work we've simply replaced node with bun across a lot of overcomplicated + crappy projects, and on my work+personal computers I alias bun/bunx to node/npx with seemingly no issues at all
notnullorvoid [3 hidden]5 mins ago
In my testing Bun wasn't much faster most of the time, usually on par for all non-IO related stuff, and there were some cases with scheduling where Bun was noticable slower.
bel8 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I expect bun to run almost everything that node runs these days. They have an extensive test suit to ensure that.
Maybe if you start from scratch with a new project, but when migrating an old project it's definitely not a drop-in replacement. I try once or twice per year, but it's not worth the effort when the upside isn't that big.
pjmlp [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I see no reason to leave node in what concerns JavaScript runtimes.
postepowanieadm [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They should the unexpected and vibe code node to zig. Or Odin for the kicks.
karel-3d [3 hidden]5 mins ago
they should rewrite their whole stack by AI from one language to another language, it seems fun.
Their usage of upsert appears different than I was used to:
Me: Upsert = Update or Insert
Them: Upsert = Get or Insert
https://nodejs.org/en/blog/release/v26.2.0
What I would expect with the inclusion of temporal, is having a section on nodejs docs about Rust addons, alongside the C and C++ sections.
(No affiliation, just a fan of VoidZero's consistently excellent tools.)
I moved some projects over to those from ESLint + Prettier and while the compatibility isn't 100% (I didn't need that), and the time to process a codebase went from like way over a minute with the old tools to a few seconds with theirs.
Evan You won't break the cycle, tale as old as time.
(I’m not disagreeing to remove it. It just took me a while to find out what happened to it)
There's the "types as comments" proposal[1] which could even land on browsers one day.
I started using the erasableSyntaxOnly setting in my tsconfig to get ready for this.
[1] https://tc39.es/proposal-type-annotations/
Of course, complete lack of non-local non-GMT time zones is a huge downside.
https://caniuse.com/?search=Temporal
Adding websocket would simplify stuff tremendously, as well as make deployments much, much more secure.
I see that Deno has WebSockets, but I've never used them: https://docs.deno.com/api/web/~/WebSocket
Even the complicated NextJS runs with Bun: https://nextjs.org/conf/session/nextjs-bun
Do you have a source for your claim?