Two of them have already leaked before. Both of those are missiles being viewed with an infrared camera. One of them shows a missile passing through the field of view rapidly with a motion blur streak behind it. The other shows a missile performing maneuvers and a camera artifact showing a star-like diffraction+aperture artifact around the bright IR light source.

None of these pieces of imagery look like something doing something particularly interesting. What happens is a military personnel records a video. They don't know what it is in the moment. It gets labeled "unknown" and put on a DoD file server, and then either they or someone else who stumbles across it clips out part of it and starts to spread rumors about this amazing video of a UAP they saw. There are people who work for the DoD who appear to spend a great deal of their free time scrolling around internal DoD file servers looking for anything they can portray as proof of aliens, and sometimes they leak their stories and even clips to public UFO influencers like Jeremy Corbell.

Your comment is all certainty, and the thread has rewarded that. People are seeking definite answers - seems proportional to the uncertainty they sense. Do you really feel qualified to provide that? Seems a big responsibility to take on, sort of like a public Explaining influencer lol.

Your idea that gossip enriches mundane with magic is unnecessary here, because the media themselves are 'unexplained' (if we remove your certainty).

It can be compelling and attractive to fill the silence or the unknown with an invention of certainty - sort of like a prophet or shepheard - but the edge of known demands more curiosity and wonder for an honest approach.

The color it appears on infrared footage depends on the other pixels in frame. It uses dynamic ranges to map infrared values to a visible light spectrum. If the rest of the frame was ice, or you were looking up into space, a bird would probably be rendered as very warm.

If the rest of the frame is a warm ocean surface and warm wind turbines, then a flying bird may be rendered as cold relative to those pixels.

Balloons can also show up as a different temperature than the background of the frame depending on what the balloon is made of, altitude differences (ambient temp at high altitude is colder than at the surface), etc.

But here is a paper showing penguins photographed with a temperature-sensing IR camera, showing the majority of the surface of their body being around -21ºC thanks to the highly insulating plumage.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3645025/

For example, If I take a blurry photo of something I see outside on a full moon that's probably a raccoon and proclaim its a photo of the elder god Nug, spawn of Azathoth, the Lord of All Things, and someone points out that its probably a raccoon but the photo is so bad there's really no way to ever tell the right attitude isn't to say:

"It can be compelling and attractive to fill the silence or the unknown with an invention of certainty - sort of like a prophet or shepheard - but the edge of known demands more curiosity and wonder for an honest approach."

The truth is that when we see photos of Nug the mind-bending eldrich horror of the sight disturbs the vision part of our brain. The photos are all perfectly clear, but simply too terrible for our tiny minds to ever percieve.

IR imagery can be flipped between black=hot or white=hot. These systems are about creating contrast to aid visualization, not recording scientific data.

>> What sort of balloons show up as contrast instead of neutral?

A hot air balloon? Any balloon that has recently changed altitude? Any reflective balloon reflecting sunlight (Mylar is common). Or, in thin air, a non-reflective balloon absorbing sunlight and warming faster than it can dissipate that heat.

I'm grateful for the entertainment and the sense of "gov't doing something people want/revealing something they lied about" tho. Restores confidence in the big system. I'm really curious to see what comes next :)

Since HN is not supposed to be used for ideological battle, that seems unfair. So have a counterbalancing upvote.

Couple frames: https://imgur.com/a/MyGZj3x

Original video: https://www.dvidshub.net/video/1006088/dow-uap-pr38-unresolv...

It is black hot. We know this for sure because someone in the DoD previously leaked a single screenshot of the video, which did not have the on-screen data elements redacted, and you can see the BLK indicator. That person believed the star shape was the physical shape of the object, not a lens artifact, and told this to the UFO influencer they leaked it to. That’s how this particular video eventually ended up included in this data dump.

The smoke trail must cool rapidly and be colder in temperature than the flare itself and the parachute above it. The ambient air temp and time of day may be relevant to this (direct sun could contribute to warming the parachute). Since it is infrared footage, the colors are all based on a dynamic range, so the smoke only needs to be slightly colder than the parachute in order to appear lighter in color.

Imagine that, 70ish years later there is people that cannot grasp how modern the A-12 prototype was. [1]

In my opinion the US has a real scientific education problem. So much so that people still think that alien life that built machines so advanced that they can bridge distances over lightyears travel time... just the belief that they will remotely resemble our appearance anyhow is statistically so close to 0 that I have no words to express how unlikely it is to happen. You have a greater chance getting hit every millisecond of your life by a lightning strike than this being the case.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_A-12

These case reports happen often because one person filmed something and perhaps that one person didn’t know what it was. The video then gets saved and catalogued as unidentified. The video is then so lacking in information and context that it is literally impossible for people to later figure out exactly what object it was. AARO (and before them the UAP Task Force) has been investigating a lot of these case reports and many of them get resolved as “balloon-like objects” or “objects consistent with a balloon”, because the video is consistent with it being a balloon but they want to avoid stating definitively that they know the object was a balloon. If I recall correctly something half of the imagery that gets reported as UAP in the US military ends up falling into the “likely/definitely birds and balloons” bucket.

It is foolish to dismiss this, it’s simply a fact that balloons and birds are a common underlying cause for sightings which are reported to AARO as UAP. There have also been other cases where videos recorded of airplanes have been reported to AARO and they were able to figure out that it was airplanes. It’s not that “the US military doesn’t know what airplanes look like”, it’s that one person operating an IR camera in the military recorded a video and didn’t know what it was, so they reported it as being an unidentified aerial sighting. And then it gets put in this bucket of reports called “UAP sightings”. And maybe never gets resolved because there’s not enough information there to do anything with it.

The UAP Task Force did a presentation to Congress in which the head of the office showed a frame of the now-viral “green triangles” UFO video filmed with night vision camera on the deck of a US Navy vessel. The UAP Task Force was staffed with UFO believers and they believed the green triangles shown in the sky were pyramid shaped aircraft. They failed to realize the triangles were merely an artifact of the focus and the triangle shaped camera aperture and that in that frame of video, all of the triangles were known bright stars in that region of sky at that time of year. They could have figured all this out. People on the ship that day would of course know that those points of light in the sky were stars, and that the triangles in the video were just camera artifacts, not in the real world. But years later, the UAP Task Force looked at the video, and didn’t know that.

AARO has been doing a better analytical job than the UAP Task Force did. They fired everyone and hired people who weren’t predisposed to paranormal beliefs. (Jay Stratton staffed the UAP Task Force with people he knew would help bolster his preexisting paranormal beliefs). But this latest data dump was not done because AARO had finished evaluating these cases and done extensive work to narrow down possibilities. This data dump (and the ones coming next) was forced on an accelerated timeline by a handful of paranormal activists in Congress who just like the media attention and want to promote all kinds of fringe religious and paranormal ideas.

This here is the source of the problem. Also, the Congress critters that fund this are UFO believers too. That's the only reason this is still going on.

The UAP Task Force in the example I described above actually did so some analysis on the "green triangle" Navy UFO video but they still failed to identify the fact that their screengrab they presented to Congress was literally just stars with a bokeh artifact making them appear as triangles.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/the-chandelier-ufo.13307/

Re the counterpost - i admit it's a good effort to match the graphics - but it still looks markedly different. Thermal overexposure seems less likely given paucity of other examples - what about active jamming? IR laser pointing? Hunch just now: sth about polarized light? Idk.

There's not really much ambiguity here regarding these factors now:

- it's a small bright infrared light source attached to a parachute

- the star shape is a camera artifact

In the 90s there was a wave of diamond-shaped craft in Europe. All were taken by cheap disposable cameras with four-bladed aperture. The current trend now is fuzzy moving images. They are fixed points like stars and the "motion" and color changes comes from the digital camera's algorithm trying to make sense of a one-pixel signal from the ccd. (See flat earth videos claiming that stars/planets are actually spotlights.)

He's not flashy or trying to be entertaining, just thorough, evidence-based and scientifically rigorous. He'll even do controlled experiments, recreations and 3D models to validate what's going on. And he's unfailingly respectful no matter how unhinged the claim. His work explaining the "Gimbal Video" is a good example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7jcBGLIpus

Frankly, I don't follow it these days as I have nowhere near Mick's saintly level of patience to so calmly endure a never-ending game of whac-a-mole. Rational, evidence-based skeptics like Mick are doomed to Sisyphean toil because even after they've resoundingly explained a hundred vague claims, UFO (and Chem-Trail, Flat Earth, etc) true believers will always find a new one to hitch their belief to. Because, apparently, a consistent trend of 100 consecutive falsifications implies nothing about the likelihood of #101. And at the end of the day, it's impossible to conclusively prove a negative.

Right. And I do think that meticulous effort is invaluable because it heightens the cost of cognitive dissonance which can be important to reaching people on the sidelines.

But it makes you wonder if the debunking community should be a bit more intentional about intercepting whatever these psychological processes are that make people immune to evidence-based correction, and target those mechanisms the same meticulousness in patients of a debunk.

Although obviously I think the trouble with that is such a task would amount to helping steer such people into a fabric of social and cultural connectedness that's more valuable to them than the conspiracies are. Which seems a tall order. But maybe engineering an alternative psychological virus that crowds out the conspiracies in favor of something else is a more efficient option.

You haven't spent much time arguing with people who refuse to listen to any evidence at all, have you? The "psychological processes" you describe are, in many cases, that people will simply stick their (metaphorical) fingers in their ears and say "La la la, I'm not listening!" In other words, a willful, determined refusal to listen.

It's not a matter of psychological processes, at least not for the people I've interacted with in the past. It's plain and simple refusal. They've decided that they're right, they know it, and nobody is going to tell them otherwise, darn it!

As the old quote goes (which is apparently very difficult to pin down to its origin): "My mind is made up. Don't confuse me with the facts!" (https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/02/13/confuse-me/)

P.S. Edited to add this, because I meant to write it earlier and forgot: It's just stubbornness. You can't cure stubbornness with psychoanalysis. Some people just don't want to believe in what you're trying to tell them. As the even older quote goes, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." You can lead a stubborn person to all the evidence in the world, but you can't make him think.

It’s not arbitrary. Alien UFOs, Chem-Trails, and Flat Earth are obviously all generated from the same distribution of bullshit: ambiguous or misunderstood phenomena explained by positing a vast hidden conspiracy.

I'd prefer to speak about "evidence in support of/against" rather than "facts", which often conceals a presuming-the-consequent kind of fallacy.

> denial of science

Whether "science" is believed or denied by any particular person has no effect on whether or not extraterrestrial intelligence has or is visiting earth.

Demanding that "science" be believed is un-scientific. I am not drawing an equivalence between science and religion here, but pointing out that your argument is a super hand-wavey appeal to an inviolable "gospel". I'm old enough to remember when a theory like intra-galactic panspermia was regarded like canals-on-Mars.

In my view, ETI theories are lacking any credible evidence and this makes me sad.

And the facts are just ... released. It's the interpretation of the observations that are disputed. And unless you think they are all fake, the explanations that do not involve alien tech are non-trivial to say the least.

I'm not sure why you'd think there is any shared causal structure with flat earthers at all.

"UFO-crazy uncles" are known to exist. This is not an extraordinary claim. The existence of such uncles provides no evidence for or against extraterrestrial visitors or other aerial phenomena.

One can be right for bad reasons.

But they're not wrong that the stuff coming out of the back of jet aircraft is changing the climate.

Small, localized weather engineering programs have long been real (cloud seeding), and planetary-scale climate engineering projects are now openly discussed by governments. E.g. https://www.epa.gov/geoengineering/about-geoengineering "Types of solar geoengineering techniques include: Stratospheric Aerosol Injection (SAI) – adding small reflective particles to the upper atmosphere (stratosphere) to reflect incoming sunlight. Sulfur dioxide (SO2), one of the types of chemicals considered for SAI, can chemically react in the stratosphere to form reflective sulfate aerosols."

The people who claim they're monitoring chemtrails aren't even watching aircraft which are deliberately dispensing payloads, because it just isn't that common in the first place (unless you go out and watch crop dusting, but then you can also just see the guy land, get out, and talk about it).

Hand washing prevents illness

COVID came from a lab, not a wet market

Hunter Biden laptop was real

And then a counter example of something broadly accepted but untrue. The humoral theory and blood letting, practiced for thousands of years. This is what killed George Washington.

Copernicus, but "close enough".

Yep. The planets do not, in fact, revolve around the Sun. They revolve around the solar system center of mass (barycenter). This is an error of about 0.25 degree viewed from Earth which was significant at the time.

> Hand washing prevents illness

Did the person who we credit for hand washing advocate for it because he was "crazy", or because he had a well-founded theory?

> COVID came from a lab, not a wet market

The lab-leak theory has not held up to scrutiny. It is considered refuted. Though IMO the initial backlash was excessive.

> Hunter Biden laptop was real

No one outside of politics said the laptop "wasn't real", many emails were cryptographically authenticated very early on. There was a great deal of concern by experts that a coordinated disinfo op was being played into the election. It was, though probably not with the involvement of foreign actors this time. Nothing about that laptop ended up being relevant to the Presidential candidate actually running for election.

> And then a counter example of something broadly accepted but untrue. The humoral theory and blood letting, practiced for thousands of years. This is what killed George Washington.

We're talking about examples of things a "crazy uncle" might believe that turned out to be true. These are just abandoned pre-scientific medical theories and treatments.

Not to anyone who is intellectually honest.

Convince me I'm wrong.

Trump is running candidates against any incumbent who doesn't vote for redistricting to gerrymander the map.

I'm willing to bet he starts "joking" about how Roosevelt got more than two terms and the amendment to limit terms is a deep state crime.

The prosaic explanation is the more likely one, meaning the events are unrelated.

If gas prices double from here it will be less stupid distraction and more overt authoritarianism... the ICE question has not been settled. ICE is still violating your neighbors and making a mockery of what is supposed to be a society of free people. They merely thought the overt city takeovers and shooting Americans in the head had become a bad look that wasn't worth it politically. The persistence of this calculus is not inevitable.

More than anything, that's the one thing that they want to avoid. That's something that's radicalized at least one person into doing something rash and could radicalize more.

The reality is that there's no shortage of dirt in them (that likely doesn't pile up to guilt beyond a reasonable doubt), but his base doesn't care, and will never care.

1) Maxwell was under prosecution at the time, so some of it was related to that.

2) The kind of people being mentioned as potential indictees are the kind who can do something about it.

There was no reason for why the administration had to wait for the files to be unsealed to go after anyone it wanted to. Unsealing them only makes the records available to the public at large, not the rest of the DOJ.

Instead, I just see elaborate narratives about political motivations and garbage evidence like that laughably low-effort fake video presented in Congress by Representatives.

Sorry, I encounter someone who believes exactly what you wrote at least once a week.

It is unfortunate how many have succumbed to Trump derangement syndrome and are rendered unable to discuss this topic critically, moving to complete dismissal because of the controversy surrounding the messenger.

The UAP disclosure movement has been decades in the making. Trump was simply the one willing to push it, exactly because of his counterculture, renegade nature as you put it.

Are we alone? Is there other intelligent life in the universe? What's the meaning of life? They've robbed themselves of the ability to engage with these questions, and it's a shame.

"NASA, ESA, and Roscosmos all confirm definitive concrete proof, and publish this proof, for the presence of organisms, or technology created by organisms, which originated from outside Earth's atmosphere, and was present within Earth's hill sphere at some point since 1900."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHhZQWAtWyQ

This real announcement (with some edited visuals to make it look like he was delivering it inside the White House press room) was used in the movie Contact to seem related to the more extraordinary discovery of alien intelligence that was portrayed in that movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obrBARvWtiA

The White House objected to this use at the time, but never took any sort of legal action to have it removed or anything AFAIK.

Edit: I had a look at a bunch of the videos and didn't find anything remarkable, in my opinion. The witness testimonies read like so many others.

This seems like it would be a CLM, as the authority of their testimony is central to their function as federal LE.

For example, see this document: https://www.war.gov/medialink/ufo/release_1/western_us_event...

(from series of documents from incident data 9/1/23)

It would have been some fantastic spy tech, alright.

https://old.reddit.com/r/NominativeDeterminism/

Dataset: https://www.war.gov/Portals/1/Interactive/2026/UFO/uap-csv.c...

Mirror: https://gist.github.com/ahmetcadirci25/e4edb7d30109fdb8ff14b...

Could be useful for anyone interested in data analysis, anomaly detection, or open government datasets.

On the other hand, there is no link in the CSV for NASA-UAP-D3A, Gemini 7 Audio Excerpt, 1965 but the link in the webpage does work. It utilizes https://api.dvidshub.net/ to request the content.

Another example are incident dates like with DOW-UAP-PR36, Unresolved UAP Report, Middle East, May 2020 that are N/A in the CSV but have an incorrect one inside the snippet (5/1/20 as opposed to 5/14/20). It also seems like there are duplicate incidents just with different media. By the way, the video in this incident is compelling.

I look forward to dissecting the dataset but it's far from perfect. There is definitely a massive amount of potential here.

https://imgur.com/a/QTeZjyp

Which people claim was posted at this URL:

https://www.war.gov/medialink/ufo/release_1/memo_jcs_admiral...

(the dates of the ship's movement don't align with its actual movements, and the C/O name is wrong)

The file for "65_HS1-834228961_62-HQ-83894_Serial_153" is here:

https://www.war.gov/medialink/ufo/release_1/65_HS1-834228961...

"War" is the application of violence for political ends. "Defense" is only a subset of that.

So yeah, sure, in the current attitude and action that are very much "hey let's go back to that great time where we openly agreed war of conquest are a good thing" they have it makes sense.

Nope. Actually renaming it was too long and complicated a process, so instead they're pretending they renamed it.

Specifically, actually renaming it requires an Act of Congress, since it is specified in law.

The other name changes by the Trump administration are also not catching on.

70+% also continue to call the Gulf of Mexico "Gulf of Mexico".

A large majority also continue to call Mount Denali "Mount Denali".

A significant majority is still calling the Kennedy Center that instead of "The Donald J. Trump and the John F. Kennedy Memorial Center for the Performing Arts".

No, it didn't.

For a few years before it was the Department of Defense it was the National Military Establishment (with an initialism with a very unfortunate pronunciation given its function) and before that it didn't exist at all.

Now, before the National Military Establishment was formed to unify the nations military bureaucracy, there were two separate cabinet level departments, the Department of War (which oversaw the Army) and the Department of the Navy (which oversaw the Navy, including the Marine Corps.) When the NME was created, the Army was split into the Army and the Air Force, and the Department of War was likewise split into the Department of the Army and the Department of the Air Force. Both of these new Departments and the Department of the Navy remained (briefly) cabinet-level departments with their own Secretaries, while the NME was headed by the new Secretary of Defense.

Very quickly, though, further reforms were adopted in law and the NME became the Department of Defense and the service secretaries were formally subordinated to the Secretary of Defense and were now subcabinet positions (which is how the DoD got its unique, within the US executive branch, Department with its own cabinet level Secretary with subordinate Departments headed by a subcabinet level Secretaries organization.)

TLDR: The Department of War was not an earlier name for the Department of Defense, it was the name for the Department of the Army before the Air Force was split out from it.

> Palmer Luckey suggested naming it back. People agreed, so they did.

Well, again, it couldn’t be named back to “Department of War”, because its only previous name was “National Military Establishment.” And while some people obviously agreed that it should be called “Department of War”, they didn’t actually rename it. The name in law of the organization named “The Department of Defense” in 1949 by amendments to the National Security Act of 1947 remains “The Department of Defense”. It hasn’t been renamed. The present executive branch leadership has adopted nicknames for the department and the titles of its officials ("secondary titles” in the language of EO 14347 which formalized the system of nicknames [and also recounts as if true the false history that “Department of War” was previously the name of the Department of Defense].)

https://www.war.gov/medialink/ufo/release_1/2024-04-30-compo...

I wonder if there’s satellite imagery of this event, or maybe if in the near future we’ll have greater satellite coverage so we can corroborate these claims with imagery.

The more cameras we have (in everyone's pocket, in the streets, in the sky), the less "sightings" we have (of UFO and cryptids).

Tells you something.

https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/sun-dogs

Sailors saw mermaids all the time too, I don't think they're all hiding under a rock since we invented the camera

"cool" is not the word that comes to mind looking at this image.

Very effective tactic. Only solution is to ignore all non local stuff until just before elections.

Me? I'd rather just keep reading through mentions of Trump in the Epstein files.

Colbert and Jon Stewart are more my flavor. Shame Colbert is coming to an end.

Always has been, at least since 1947.

- Trump-related political posts

- China-related political posts

- Iran-related political posts

- DOGE-related political posts

- RFK-Jr-related political posts

- Covid-19 related posts

- Economy-related political posts

- Election-related political posts

- Anti-Russia/anti-"nazi" political posts

My oh my, with that post history, I surely trust you to decide for us what's "propaganda' and what's not. Surely you yourself aren't a huge propaganda account.

I still can't wrap my head around the fact that the guy who made his campaing on ending wars the first thing he does after being elected changes the name from DoD to DoW and starts new wars.

But he didn't. That requires congressional action. The DoW is just a "secondary" name attached via executive order. Contracts still say DOD. The only reason people are saying "DoW" it is to appease certain forceful personalities.

I do wish there was even more resistance though, war has been effectively pitched as costless or even as a boon. Perhaps if this war bites there will be more resistance to future wars. At the very least the Iran war being such a disaster may have saved us from a more costly war with China - which the US was and in some ways still is gearing up for.

Where did I do that? There's no one to vote for that doesn't wage war.

But to say voting for Trump was voting for less war is plain ridiculous. You'd have to ignore his entire career. He is famously fickle, is not shy about lying, and abandons friends at the soonest opportunity. A rational person hearing him say "I will end the Ukraine war on day 1" would understand he's saying whatever he thinks sounds good.

Like you'd think Americans would have learned after "read my lips, no new taxes" even if they somehow memory-holed Trump's entire first administration. But I guess not.

Is there actually a term for every discussion about something code related turning into a debate about LLMs, just increasing the signal to noise ratio on the topic at hand?

I'll throw 'second order AI slop' into the ring.

Having standards? I'm an American taxpayer, this slop is being published on my dime.

I don't know if I'd want to drive on it.

I miss the days when 18F made bespoke sites from scratch.

It's a distraction, a means to control the narrative. That's it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_UFO_Museum_and_R...

Pure distraction. Chef's kiss.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_strategy

I guess that’s what “Unexplained Areal Phenomena” means.

As for US firing missiles at children, that Tomahawk hitting the all girls school had a strike package on record which would detail its intended target.

He's not hiding any of it. Masquerade is a bit rich.

That's ridiculous.

My first thought when I saw this is how much will it cost me to kick it up to a HF I stance.

I did a trial run with the Epstein files and it was genuinely fun to catch a few bits before the media caught up.

Not to mention that if they add any metadata thats just increasing their exposure and they will be held to what the LLMs label it.

But extremely limited access to competent human beings.

A lot of people still look to the MSM to define reality for them.

But there's a huge and myserious disconnect between the MSM's reporting of Trump as a Serious Person, and the reality that he's a compulsive liar and fantasist and is seriously ill with advancing dementia.

Without honest reporting, "we" don't have a public voice.

While I don't understand it myself, I've seen a study showing how some scientists can compartmentalize and apply different standards of evidence between their professional life and personal beliefs. In other cases, scientists conducting rigorous lab controlled studies have been deceived by fake psychics doing simple magic tricks (and not nearly as well as a competent magician). For example, Harold Puthoff and Russell Targ at Stanford Research Institute being fooled by Uri Geller. While Puthoff and Targ were trained experimentalists having worked in laser physics, their parapsychology study designs had poor controls and lacked statistical rigor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parapsychology_research_at_SRI

As a long-time skeptic, I've learned to avoid broad appeals to authority because relying on "a scientist said..." is ineffective when a true believer can cite a credentialed scientist spouting nutty stuff. In recent years the situation around military assessments of UFO sightings has also changed dramatically. In the mid-2010s, some UFO enthusiasts already in the military managed to work their way into positions as UAP investigators, largely because "UFO Investigator" was a role no serious military careerist wanted on their record. Suddenly, what were once hundred page dry, technical assessments boiling down to "inconclusive" (which no one cared about) became artfully crafted, overly-credulous reports highlighting sensational (but poorly supported) "possibilities." This coincided with a political recalculation from some members of both parties in congress and the White House during the past two administrations to stop fighting the tiny but highly vocal UFO community as it was a no-win battle and instead basically leverage UAPs as a sideshow either for attention or distraction. And it's working.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_disease

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Some of the new videos were already identified as imaging artifacts a while ago.

https://www.war.gov/medialink/ufo/release_1/dow-uap-d32-miss...

They left the classification labels untouched (SECRET//REL TO USA, FVEY). They really are supposed to remove those or at least cross them out. To see a document on the public internet with those labels still attached is very odd behavior.

This doesn't seem like market-moving material, but maybe it's just status quo.

It's still funny that it took the President to release these pics and you all are like "its a bird".

The list is endless. Obvious distraction.

These distraction comments always sound a little condescending to me. They are all over Reddit and it's a bit of a bummer to see it taking off here.

This reframe is a meme, but truly, if they were to dig into this topic they'd find there's more to uaps than meets the eye. There is something here that we don't understand.

I can't tell if comments like this are serious or rage bait.

> Infrared still image (black hot) captured of unidentified object *below helicopter* over western United States in September of 2025.

I think this was two winters ago. They floated, sometimes would briefly hold position. Third time in the past decade I encountered them.

I pulled to the side of the road. Nobody else pulled over or noticed. Encounter lasted maybe 5 minutes. I honestly don't remember.

https://files.catbox.moe/05tysy.jpg

https://files.catbox.moe/g46n6f.jpg

https://files.catbox.moe/xz7bux.jpg

From the photos alone it's also hard to rule out distant airplanes with their bright forward landing lights on. When planes are flying towards you they appear to move very slowly and at a distance they appear as single bright orange/yellow glowing spots. Take this example showing 3 airplanes a few miles away:

https://i.imgur.com/vVB6Cf0.png

They could also be drones or helicopters with bright spotlights on. Hard to say with this.

They just fell out of my sightline. Whether trees or something else. It's fairly urban where I am, always stuff blocking the view. Not like the great plains, desert etc.

I feel thankful whenever I get to see them though. Just bizarre and different. Hope I get to see them again soon.

https://x.com/i/status/2037559378958766591

""" We can be sure as the war ends, there will be another distraction by the US using "Aliens, UFOs, and UAPs".

If Iran war was a distraction from Epstein files, this will be a distraction from war crimes. We can be sure of some Aliens dot gov site launching distracting the world """

Update: I guess I am on some kind of list now. And with list I mean Plantirs big brother database.

Feels like America is slowly becoming a technologically inferior version of China.

> STATEMENT: "The Department of War is in lockstep with President Trump to bring unprecedented transparency regarding our government’s understanding of Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena. These files, hidden behind classifications, have long fueled justified speculation — and it’s time the American people see it for themselves. This release of declassified documents demonstrates the Trump Administration’s earnest commitment to unprecedented transparency." -United States Secretary of War Pete Hegseth

If they truly want to 'serve the people' it would be time to release the full Epstein files - or at least stop starting wars and/or supporting warmongers while profiting of the resulting world-wide miseries with their insider trading.

Will accept a (my) backyard landing as evidence :-)

Maybe it’s all elaborate counter-intelligence. I doubt we’ll ever know.

As far as Trump goes, yes, he's implicated all over the files. A simple search on any search engine will find plenty of examples for you.

Anyone who’s guilty of that either has sufficient corrupt clout to have eliminated the evidence of their crimes (thus no “files” threaten them), or, are already known about.

And come on, with the guy at the top of the government being very likely one of them and very openly and obviously corrupt, it is more of a stretch for me to believe that “Epstein permanent deletion service” isn’t an item on his main bribe menu.

It's why the Democrats keep only pushing social issues, they are captured and cannot make any radical change without losing the support of their wealthy donors.

Another way to look at it, consider that every coup that occurred in South America was done extra-legally to protect American corporate/monetary interests.

Consider: if Kamala ended up on the files, would any liberals vote for Trump?

But, for a random wealthy donor it’d be rather inconvenient to be in the files and they’ll pay for not being included in the releases.

And: a sponsor? Think: most sponsors, and the establishment politicians.

:)

Release the Epstein Files.

Not my area of expertise, I should say!

While motivating intent is always opaque to some extent, this would appear to be another form of a “flood the zone” approach, in my estimation.

Many officials who certainly know better are involved - let me put the question back to you: why do you think they’re using taxpayer dollars to fuel lies?

Hate the political implication of my comment all you want but one does at some point seriously have to question the motivations behind any action that's in the realm of, "Wow I'm surprised they did this".

> - there exist unknown physical principles and forces that a party other than the USG has harnessed and implemented for advanced flight capability

These certainly have not been shown to be true. People have told stories alleging these are true, but they have for decades failed to substantiate them with evidence. All they've been able to do is tell wild fantasy stories and occasionally get a video or photo released that is laughably bad and does not support the story at all.

Which keeps happening, but the people who believe in alien visitation to Earth never seem to care that the alleged "evidence" keeps falling apart when it's actually released and scrutinized. They just move on to hyping up the next alleged evidence. It's honestly a cult dynamic at play here. Always reference to secret evidence and no epistemic adjustment after repeated cases of what they believed was evidence for their belief turning out to not be evidence for their belief. They never learn from all the past times they got scammed.

Nothing can be known for sure, but I'd say directionally we are moving closer to these conclusions over time, especially as more evidence is released.

It is understandable for most people to still be skeptical because this topic is probably one of the most well kept secrets (thanks to psyops, stigma, proximity to other high strangeness phenomenon) in human history.

> so we have to ask the question, why bother with SpaceX or even oil drilling

Because everyone with advanced access to this program knows, without a shadow of a doubt, that these UFO videos are a nothingburger and distraction from the DOJ's unreleased Epstein files.

Honestly, what difference does it make?

Unless Lrrr, Ruler of Omicron Perseii 8, lands a saucer on the White House lawn tomorrow and announces he's the new ruler of Earth, all of this means nothing. I still have to go to work, I still can't buy a house without going into unreasonable financial risk, gas will still be creeping up to $5/gal in Kansas City, and I'll still be wondering if I'll be replaced by AI before I finish up saving for retirement.

And that's to say nothing of Epstein or Iran.

You're right though, most people still have to go to work, and have other more pressing issues to deal with. I'm reminded that many Americans are convinced that we've already been through two alien invasions (the "New Jersey drone" sightings last year and the "Chinese spy balloon" incident in 2023, both of which were strongly wrapped up into the UFO conspiracy narrative) and that the US government has confirmed, officially and on record, that aliens are real and UFOs are alien spacecraft (they've done nothing of the sort.) Yet there isn't panic in the streets. People compartmentalize and move on with their lives if it doesn't affect them personally.

People still had to go to work when Einstein discovered relativity, but that still mattered in the long run. If any of this were true, in the sense of being actually aliens, it would still matter.

Even if the truth is just that are apparently physics defying craft that the government is aware of but doesn't know where they come from, and all of the rest of the UFO and conspiracy stuff is nonsense, it's just weird shit in the sky that's definitely actually there, that's still interesting.

(a) https://www.cbsnews.com/news/right-wing-influencers-get-bind...

Unless Lrrr, Ruler of Omicron Perseii 8, lands a saucer on the White House lawn tomorrow and announces he's the new ruler of Earth, all of this means nothing.

I still have to go to work, I still can't buy a house without going into unreasonable financial risk, gas will still be creeping up to $5/gal in Kansas City, and I'll still be wondering if I'll be replaced by AI before I finish up saving for retirement.

And that's to say nothing of Epstein or Iran.

> https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/26/jimmy-savile-s...

An annual summary from Homeland Security’s inspector general said the department initiated 1,389 investigations into internal matters, leading to 318 arrests and 260 convictions of DHS employees. In 2011, the auditor -- which describes itself as “the principal agency within the department with the authority to investigate employee corruption” -- found instances of bribery, child pornography and “nonconsensual sexual contact” with Immigration and Customs Enforcement detainees among the crimes DHS staff allegedly committed.

> https://www.govexec.com/defense/2012/08/laptop-thefts-drug-s...

> https://oig.hhs.gov/fraud/enforcement/former-acting-hhs-cybe...

> https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdwa/pr/federal-employee-charge...

You could go all day. Surface just being scratched.

Until it stops being hilarious. Then what?

Do you believe in the rule of law?

> All we say to America is, "Be true to what you said on paper."

- Martin Luther King Jr.

https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkivebeentothemou...

How curious!

Also it occurs to me that the ufo conspiracy nutters are like dogs chasing cars. What happens when they find the UFOs? Why does it matter?

Unfortunately, that's not something one can openly say these days.

Do I have the right to express my opinion of your choice?

Your answer here please: __________

And how do you balance those?

So go ahead and say something you know is unpopular, and pretend you're persecuted for it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/2026/05/kash-patel-fbi-...

they weren't better before, they just weren't generic crap.

p.s. : https://www.war.gov/portals/1/Interactive/2026/UFO/Slideshow...

>Actual site photo with FBI Lab rendered graphic overlay depicting corroborating eyewitness reports from September 2023 of an apparent ellipsoid bronze metallic object materializing out of a bright light in the sky, 130-195 feet in length, and disappearing instantaneously.

lol finally we can actually know how the FBI imagines the fake aliens, ray-traced 90s Bryce3D art.

Thankfully ive been UFO hunting for some time, so I can corroborate: https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5e1adf348d93e3...

404 ?

1. Have both domains point to the same IP address.

2. Make sure both domains are working and DNS has fully propagated.

3. Make your old domain a 301 redirect.

4. Do a couple of find and replaces in your codebase and ship it out.

It's literal mafia strategy, because that's what Trump has always done. Large, nebulous contracts where it's hard to demonstrate that the sum paid to X contractor was actually used to pay for materials and labor rather than just pocketed.

That's why everyone connected to the admin is picking up billions of dollars in record time.

Things being done poorly and for a lot of money is the point

Pathetic. They launched like a business, and I guess for the bourgeoisie class, war is a business.

Any-who,

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