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Astronomers find the edge of the Milky Way

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layer8 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
rob74 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Title: "Astronomers find the edge of the Milky Way"

First sentence in the article: "Astronomers have located the edge of the Milky Way’s star-forming disk for the first time"

Wouldn't you expect someone from a publication called "Sky & Telescope" to know that these two are different things?!

Also, in diagrams showing our galaxy, I would greatly appreciate a "you are here" marker which points out the location of our solar system...

thaumasiotes [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> Also, in diagrams showing our galaxy, I would greatly appreciate a "you are here" marker which points out the location of our solar system...

What would that mean?

Try locating France on this map: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:T_and_O_map_Guntherus_Zin...

rob74 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Ok, I would be happy with an approximate location. On that map, I would place France in Europa right beside the mediterraneum, pretty much on the Occidens side (although not at the very edge).
dotancohen [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Is this a non-sequiter or just poorly phrased?

  > Disk galaxies like the Milky Way form stars “inside-out” — starting from the center and working outwards through the disk. So, as a general rule, the farther out astronomers look, the younger the stars are.
Do they meant looking out from Earth (which is actually nearer to the center of a spiral arm than to either end) or out from the galactic bulge. Either way doesn't make sense.
eventualcomp [3 hidden]5 mins ago
To use an analogy, to add to everybody else: it's like rings on a tree stump. The innermost part of the stump is the oldest; the outer the youngest. Earth is on one of those in-between rings, neither the oldest nor the newest - doesn't matter which of the in-betweens, to be honest.

Suppose now that you're an ant on the middle ring of that tree stump. No matter which way you're looking from Earth's middle-ring, either the rings will get gradually older and then younger with increasing distance (if you're looking towards the center-ish), or the rings will get strictly younger (if you're looking away from the center-ish).

This analogy obviously breaks down if you delve into details but that should give a better intuition to what's going on.

malfist [3 hidden]5 mins ago
When does "starting in the center" mean anything besides "starting in the center"?

The earth is not the center of the galaxy

furyofantares [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The Earth is where the astronomers are. If they are looking outward (away from the center) then the further they look, the younger the stars.
assimpleaspossi [3 hidden]5 mins ago
He didn't say that. He said earth is nearer to the center of a spiral arm.
malfist [3 hidden]5 mins ago
What does the center of a spiral arm have to do with the center of the galaxy?
dylan604 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
the location of earth has precisely zero to do with the topic
happytoexplain [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I actually am not following what the ambiguity is - stars farther out from the center are younger, no?
kadoban [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The Earth isn't the center of the galaxy, so this feels confusing/confused:

> So, as a general rule, the farther out astronomers look, the younger the stars are.

rafram [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The father out from the center of the galaxy they look, the younger the stars are.
jibal [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The location of the Earth is completely irrelevant. "closer" and "farther" refer to the center of the galaxy.
_factor [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Poorly phrased. The most recent stars are on the edges. The inner stars were first, hence the “working outwards”.
kakacik [3 hidden]5 mins ago
But why? Star forms when enough hydrogen (or maybe also helium) clusters together with gravity to spark fusion IIRC. The center of Milky way ain't some ultra dense place where stars are just trillions of kms from each other to support somehow earlier star formation.

Or did ie dark matter/energy somehow coalesce on the outer edge later? Milky way is supposed to be very old place, almost as old as universe itself so one would expect more homogeneous distribution, at least as a layperson.

Ekaros [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You need certain density to start formation progress. Then you get more density as it drags more stuff via gravity from intergalactic void. So new stars form at edges when there is finally enough stuff pulled by gravity of whole galaxy to there for the formation to happen.

It seems that you need quite large concentrations(as in scale of whole universe average) to actually get to star formation. Otherwise stars would be uniform trough the universe.

Then again I am not astronomer.

ww520 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Looking from Earth at the stars closer to the center of a galaxy, they are found to be older. Looking from Earth at the stars closer to the edge of a galaxy, they are found to be younger.
furyofantares [3 hidden]5 mins ago
From Earth (where astronomers are) looking "out"ward (away from the bulge).
JumpCrisscross [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Try: "the farther out [from the center] astronomers look"
jibal [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Earth isn't relevant. The stars at the center of the galaxy developed first, and development proceeded from the inside out, so the youngest stars are on the edge ... then they get older from there on out, as the stars beyond the edge broke away from the galaxy. The bottom of the age U is the location of the formative edge.
colechristensen [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It is beyond obvious what they mean.
hulitu [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'm still searching for the location of the Restaurant at the end of the universe.
chirau [3 hidden]5 mins ago
How are claims like these verified?
neals [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Just the daily post that makes me feel small and insignificant.
dylan604 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I prefer that feeling much more than the modern sense from social media where everyone is abnormally important
rambojohnson [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Seriously. Being meaningless and insignificant gives you more freedom, and nowhere to hide from what you do with it. I’ve never understood cosmic dread. It feels like a release valve instead of a threat.
TZubiri [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Oh thank goodness, I've been looking for that.
onchainintel [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Incredible. "Hi honey, what did you do at work today? Casually discovered the edge of the galaxy. How are you?"
ordu [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I think they have been looking for the edge for years, and the discovery had come gradually over some time. So I don't think that "casually" fits there and "today" doesn't make things better.
yrcyrc [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Great. Next Laniakea
xingyi_dev [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Looks like leaving the solar system was just the tutorial level。 Next main quest:breaking out of the Miky Way.