Once Elon showed how to do it, and how cost-efficient it was, a rocket company that doesn't do it is not viable.
testing22321 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Spacex first landed an orbital booster just over 10 years ago and have now landed 600 times.
The entire rest of the world combined has done it twice.
For a long time people would scoff when it was said they had a 10 year lead, and that others would catch up quickly.
Proof meets pudding.
gamblor956 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
FTA: "SpaceX suffered upper stage failures on three test flights of the massive Starship rocket last year. "
SpaceX has also had numerous failures with the larger generation of second stages and currently doesn't have a lead there. Nobody does.
decimalenough [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Nobody else has anything remotely like Starship. If they pull it off, and it's looking like they will, they will extend their dominance for another decade if not more.
Yes, Starship development has been slow and occasionally explodey, but they've successfully demonstrated all the fundamentals and it's "just" iteration from here. (They haven't gone into full orbit, but that's by choice, not lack of capability.)
boznz [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's a hard problem, and both SpaceX and Blue Origin will probably have failures in the future too, I am encouraged that they both see failure as a way to do better and looking forward to both of them eventually succeeding. It's a good time to be a space nerd.
WalterBright [3 hidden]5 mins ago
There's a saying in the racing business. If you're not walking back to the pit now and then carrying the steering wheel, you're not trying hard enough. If you're walking back to the pit too often, you're incompetent.
WalterBright [3 hidden]5 mins ago
There's another aspect. If you're launching men in rockets, you cannot tolerate failures, so the development cost is way, way higher. The cost effective method is to launch unmanned ones, tolerating a lot of failures, and when the bugs are worked out then launch men.
bombcar [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If you always fail, you aren’t trying.
If you never fail, you aren’t trying.
mandeepj [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If you always fail, you aren’t learning
Isn't that better?
eagerpace [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I know insurance for a launch is typical, but seems really tough to do that for this still “rather experimental” launch. I got to imagine it has costs something like 50% on a project like this.
staplung [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The failure of the upper stage is a bummer. If it triggers a months-long review, that will almost certainly bump back the schedule for the prototype Blue Moon lander launch.
dwd [3 hidden]5 mins ago
What I was not aware of is how many satellites Amazon already has in LEO for it's own Internet service.
They've been flying under the radar there it would seen.
sanex [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They "only" have about 250 but they're authorized for 3000. They just bought a satellite company this week though that might boost the numbers a bit.
cmiles8 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I will be good to have competition for space Internet. It’s unclear though if the market will really support two players. Satellite radio and data quickly ended up consolidating down to one.
Amazon is trying to become more vertically integrated but they seem at a structural disadvantage here competing against SpaceX.
jethro_tell [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You might be counting out the value of government and military contracts that might not want to do business with a wild card.
SpaceX is killing it because the US government gives them a bunch of contracts, but if stability is slightly more important than cost or speed, amazon has a contender.
The entire rest of the world combined has done it twice.
For a long time people would scoff when it was said they had a 10 year lead, and that others would catch up quickly. Proof meets pudding.
SpaceX has also had numerous failures with the larger generation of second stages and currently doesn't have a lead there. Nobody does.
Yes, Starship development has been slow and occasionally explodey, but they've successfully demonstrated all the fundamentals and it's "just" iteration from here. (They haven't gone into full orbit, but that's by choice, not lack of capability.)
If you never fail, you aren’t trying.
Isn't that better?
They've been flying under the radar there it would seen.
Amazon is trying to become more vertically integrated but they seem at a structural disadvantage here competing against SpaceX.
SpaceX is killing it because the US government gives them a bunch of contracts, but if stability is slightly more important than cost or speed, amazon has a contender.
Losing payloads hurts though, especially for a new platform.