This is just geopolitics. You should've seen what the US and Europe did during the Cold War.
soumyaskartha [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The audacity of banning others for doing exactly what you got caught doing. At least be subtle about
ahartmetz [3 hidden]5 mins ago
There is no contradiction if you see it as a power struggle rather than an ethical matter.
orwin [3 hidden]5 mins ago
My company new installation now use Siemens routers. It seems a few will keep Cisco though, so we have yet another provider. More work for me I guess.
mikkupikku [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> country which once exploited an attack vector is now trying to protect itself on that vector
I have no doubt that American efforts at security on this front are inadaquate, incompetent, etc. But hypocritical? Nah.
drivingmenuts [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If I was more paranoid, I'd start thinking the ban is to make it easier to spy on us by limiting our choices to a few domestic vendors who can be coerced by regulatory capture and "for the kids" political rhetoric.
john_strinlai [3 hidden]5 mins ago
that makes sense, but i suspect it is more likely to be a bribery scheme. ("why not both!" someone yells)
themafia [3 hidden]5 mins ago
A USA company bought an Indian OS to turn into it's SOHO router/firewall product. The results are exactly what you would have expected:
You're linking to a 36 minute video titled "Black Hat USA 2025 | China's 5+ Year Campaign to Penetrate Perimeter Network Defenses." There's nothing in the description about "USA company bought an Indian OS to turn into it's SOHO router/firewall product."
Either you linked the wrong thing or you need a better source.
themafia [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> Either you linked the wrong thing
I did not. The speaker clearly says in the video, twice, that they bought their OS from an Indian company. Anyways, here's the direct link to the quote:
Perhaps your assumption should be that your efforts were inadequate rather than others.
You also could have opened the transcription panel and literally just searched for "india."
tptacek [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Um, this is not an example of hypocrisy? If I punch you in the nose, I am not a hypocrite if I block your attempt to punch me back.
GorbachevyChase [3 hidden]5 mins ago
There is no rule based order, and when it comes to state security establishments, the US or any other, there are no good guys.
tptacek [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I agree with that too, but that doesn't make the "hypocrisy" line make any more sense.
fooqux [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'm pretty sure they don't care about hypocrisy. They have the power to do this and get away with it, so they do.
tptacek [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Oh, I agree, but the article says:
There is an element of hypocrisy in all this because American intelligence agencies were previously caught intercepting Cisco-made routers on their way to customers
No there isn't! That's not hypocritical! Words mean things!
orwin [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I agree it's not hypocrisy, but I can see the element of hypocrisy, if I understand their meaning correctly.
tptacek [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Can you help me understand it then? I assume it's some kind of "turnabout is fair play" thing?
CoastalCoder [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Good point.
If people are calling this hypocrisy, then I suspect there's a larger moral argument that hasn't been articulated.
nclin_ [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Power revels in hypocrisy: Rules protect the in-group but do not bind them, and bind the out-group but do not protect them.
It's not just logical, it's affective: There is a real pleasure in domination, and a real fear in any loss of control. It feels good to be strong, to be in control, to be protected but not bound. Domination is hegemony, hegemony is safety.
These billionaires genuinely feel themselves to be oppressed if their power is threatened in any way. [1]
No-one will be sad if you do get punched in the nose.
adventured [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The US hasn't really needed that kind of sympathy since the 1860s Civil War.
Other nations being sad when you get punched in the nose is only useful if you have no effective way to respond.
Half the world disliked the US during the Cold War. People act like any of what is going on is new.
keybored [3 hidden]5 mins ago
US domestic propaganda is built on hypocrisy (we need to stop X from doing Y... which we or our allies are doing already). It might not be explicitly stated right here, on this matter (contrary to The Register), but that’s the backdrop.
Calling it hypocrisy is at the very least good propaganda to try to wake Americans up from their stupor.
Admittedly though with Trump there’s no hypocritical propaganda any more. He just says he “wants the oil” or whatever.
tptacek [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It is not my argument that the US isn't generally hypocritical.
convolvatron [3 hidden]5 mins ago
apparently the kind of people that whine the most loudly about being punched turn out to be real avid punchers themselves.
tptacek [3 hidden]5 mins ago
People who are good at punching tend also to be good at avoiding punches.
MisterTea [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> Country that put backdoors into Cisco routers to spy on world bans foreign routers
Says the tech rag hailing from the 5-eyes nation known as the UK...
HN.zip
Love seeing pop up like it’s new or something.
I have no doubt that American efforts at security on this front are inadaquate, incompetent, etc. But hypocritical? Nah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4COrX9YHcU
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4COrX9YHcU
You're linking to a 36 minute video titled "Black Hat USA 2025 | China's 5+ Year Campaign to Penetrate Perimeter Network Defenses." There's nothing in the description about "USA company bought an Indian OS to turn into it's SOHO router/firewall product."
Either you linked the wrong thing or you need a better source.
I did not. The speaker clearly says in the video, twice, that they bought their OS from an Indian company. Anyways, here's the direct link to the quote:
https://youtu.be/z4COrX9YHcU?si=hzsYtprPeYkEC9DF&t=303
Perhaps your assumption should be that your efforts were inadequate rather than others.
You also could have opened the transcription panel and literally just searched for "india."
There is an element of hypocrisy in all this because American intelligence agencies were previously caught intercepting Cisco-made routers on their way to customers
No there isn't! That's not hypocritical! Words mean things!
If people are calling this hypocrisy, then I suspect there's a larger moral argument that hasn't been articulated.
It's not just logical, it's affective: There is a real pleasure in domination, and a real fear in any loss of control. It feels good to be strong, to be in control, to be protected but not bound. Domination is hegemony, hegemony is safety.
These billionaires genuinely feel themselves to be oppressed if their power is threatened in any way. [1]
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[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RpPTRcz1no
Other nations being sad when you get punched in the nose is only useful if you have no effective way to respond.
Half the world disliked the US during the Cold War. People act like any of what is going on is new.
Calling it hypocrisy is at the very least good propaganda to try to wake Americans up from their stupor.
Admittedly though with Trump there’s no hypocritical propaganda any more. He just says he “wants the oil” or whatever.
Says the tech rag hailing from the 5-eyes nation known as the UK...