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Kuwaiti F/A-18's Triple Friendly Fire Shootdown Gets Stranger by the Day

122 points by throwawayffffas - 33 comments
JasonADrury [3 hidden]5 mins ago
"Fighter jet pilot" is a really cool job.

Guess who gets the cool jobs in these countries? Typically not the most highly motivated individuals, but the children of influential people who pull strings to make it happen.

Guess how easy it's to fire those people when they don't pay that much attention during training?

sschueller [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Cool job? Being ordered to drop bombs on schools filled with children doesn't seems like a cool job..
brunohaid [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Scott Purdue has a couple of good videos on the incident https://youtube.com/@flywirescottperdue

A pilot not trained well on visually IDing some of the most common military planes would be quite a training lapse.

krona [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The Kuwaiti air force doesn't use F-15E. The F-15E looks quite similar to the Iranian Mig-29 especially from above. I've got no idea how Kuwaiti fast jet pilots are trained but it's not inconceivable that pilot had never seen an F-15E in the flesh before.
inaros [3 hidden]5 mins ago
>> it's not inconceivable that pilot had never seen an F-15E in the flesh before.

This is such a joke I cant even imagine how you can formulate this thought...

- Exercise Marauder Shield 26.1 (Nov. 2025) "U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagle aircraft assigned to the 391st Expeditionary Fighter Squadron takeoff during Exercise Marauder Shield in the U.S. Central Command area of responsibility, Nov. 8, 2025. A key element of the exercise was the sharpening of combined fighter capabilities between the U.S. and Kuwait Air Forces. This included joint training exercises and hot-pit refueling operations."

- CENTCOM Bomber Task Force mission (July 2022)

"..During the BTF, two B-52H Stratofortresses, assigned to the U.S. Air Force Global Strike Command, conducted theater integration training and operations with a variety of U.S. Air Force, partner and ally aircraft, including F-15/18, RJ-135, E-3, KC-135/10/46, FGR-4, and A-330..."

"The bombers’ flight originated at Royal Air Force (RAF) Fairford, England, and flew over the Eastern Mediterranean, Arabian Peninsula and Red Sea before departing the region. The mission included fighter escorts from the Royal Air Force and the Air Forces of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia...."

"...“Communication is critical,” said Wong, who also serves as the Deputy Director of Combat Operations, Combined Air Operations Center. “By enhancing lines of communication, we are able to establish a clear and direct line in real time amongst the Air Operations Centers of all nations participating..."

toast0 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> A key element of the exercise was the sharpening of combined fighter capabilities between the U.S. and Kuwait Air Forces

Well, the Kuwaitis seem pretty sharp? Three shootdowns is a lot in the modern era. The F-22 program only has two air to air kills in its whole history.

ericmay [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> Well, the Kuwaitis seem pretty sharp?

Do they? If they shot down 3 friendly aircraft that would be a catastrophically stupid mistake which would imply they are, in fact, not that sharp (or at least this specific unit and chain of command).

> The F-22 program only has two air to air kills in its whole history

A very poor comparison point given that the F-22 has had limited opportunities for engagement. And just a poor comparison overall.

lumost [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Given Kuwaiti air force pilots would have dealt with Saudi/US/Iraqi F-15 operators, that seems highly unlikely.
nradov [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Kuwaiti air force F/A-18 pilots receive most of their training in the USA so most likely they would have seen some F-15 model in flight. That doesn't rule out a case of target misidentification but it's very odd and suspicious.
sheikhnbake [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That would be a pretty huge GCI failure
sidewndr46 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I do not know how F-18 controls work but from what I understand lots of jet controls include the equivalent of a "safety" that can be used to prevent the weapon from being launched. Maybe the pilot thought he had it engaged?

The secondary thing here I've realized is that the missiles in question must not have been using active homing. If they were then the pilots of the US aircraft would have taken evasive action as soon as their radar warning receiver lit up.

mig39 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That could explain one accidental shootdown. It cannot conceivably explain three.
alberth [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> This is the latest video to have emerged from the extraordinary incident earlier this week in which a Kuwaiti Air Force F/A-18 Hornet was responsible for shooting down three U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles.

Why is the US using such dated planes?

nradov [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Much of the F-15E fleet is still in relatively good condition. Most other airframes are even older on average. Over the past couple decades most funding went to more urgent GWOT priorities and almost everything else was under capitalized to the point where older aircraft are literally cracking and falling apart.
UltraSane [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Because they still work.
usui [3 hidden]5 mins ago
What did the videos originally link to? It just shows "Sorry, this post is no longer available."
p_ing [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That’s you ad blocker. They’re still up.
andrewflnr [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Sometimes it'll show that while the embed is still loading.
skibz [3 hidden]5 mins ago
How much time elapsed between each aircraft being hit?
cozzyd [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Probably testing grok-based targeting system.
steveBK123 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
@grok is this true? /s
strangattractor [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Grok stuck in DOGE mode.
EtienneDeLyon [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Two more kills and that pilot will be an ace!
samrus [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> Another fighter pilot’s analysis, seen in video below, questions whether the Kuwaiti pilot might even have gone rogue against an ally. That actually seems possible based on the evidence, but it is hard to believe.

I get the concern, but i would remmeber to attribute it to incompetance rather than malice. And from my understanding, there is no shorten of incompetance among gulf arab militaries

Bratmon [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I know American pilots think that Kuwait is on their side, but is their any evidence that Kuwaiti pilots think they're on America's side?
asadm [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They have handed over their sovereignty to US forces to help kill their Muslim brethren. You want them to prove some more loyalty tests?
dfadsadsf [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Do not mistake leadership and regular people. Afghanistan president Ghani handed over sovereignty to US too but Afghans disagreed. I am confident that there is significant minority in Kuwait wishing for Iran victory. As a datapoint, there were videos from Bahrain with people cheering for Iranian rockets hitting American bases.
JasonADrury [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The state religion in Kuwait is Sunni Islam. It's much more nuanced than "Muslim brethren", except perhaps less so when Israel is directly involved, as it is today.

It's also important to note that these are not democracies. The state frequently does things that people aren't entirely happy with, it's only when the people (or religious leaders!) become sufficiently unhappy that it becomes a problem.

vonneumannstan [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Lol most Kuwaitis including the royal family are Sunni and believe Iranian Shia's to be heretics. So no love lost there at all.
DarkmSparks [3 hidden]5 mins ago
My theory is Iran is jamming the link16 iff.
monster_truck [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Saw some unsubstantiated claims that the planes shot down didn't even have it on
Stevvo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Article explains how quick and easy it is to fire the missiles, with no information to identify friend from foe.

Then it jumps to incredulity that it could happen 3 times.

I don't know why it's so hard to imagine someone pulling a trigger 3 times.

sheikhnbake [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The first could have been a mistake. It happening three times is crazy because ground control should have been in the pilots ear the entire time trying to de-conflict.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Kuwaiti Air Force switches to ground controlled intercept only after this.