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Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan launches group to influence CA politics

195 points by computerliker - 121 comments
andy_ppp [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I think rich people have too much influence, I probably agree with Garry Tan on a lot but we need to get money out of politics. Let’s face it we’re all meant to get one vote but rich people spend money on this stuff so that they manipulate what and who can be voted for.

I do think that if this current system is the result of democracy + the internet we need to seriously reconsider how democracy works because it’s currently failing everyone but the ultra wealthy.

abtinf [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> we need to get money out of politics.

We need to get the power out of politics.

cjs_ac [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Politics is about deciding who gets to exercise power and what they get to do with it. Politics detached from power is just pointless squabbling.
mothballed [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's not, since voluntary transactions can happen as a result of said squabbling without resorting to the violence of 'power.' Maybe we need more of that and less of ramming decisions down the throats of the powerless.
andy_ppp [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Yeah I sometimes think you could have a government you select, e.g. each state could have its own rules and laws and the federal government should not have the power to overrule them. Then you could choose if you wanted immigration or lower taxes or whatever, seems like a good system who can suggest it?
Tarq0n [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Not really a solution for large-scale collective action problems.
snihalani [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I wish we had direct voting on important decisions
jandrewrogers [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This has proven to be a disaster in practice. See also: California.
w4yai [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Wrong.

It has actually been scientifically proven otherwise in crowd theory : in the right conditions (not hard to reach in practice), the crowd is more effective to take a good decision that the top1 best decision maker.

Exemple : a crowd playing chess may beat the top1 chess player, even though the crowd individually cannot beat him.

Gud [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It’s working fantastic here in Switzerland.
Analemma_ [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Hell no, California has this and it’s a catastrophe. Prop 13 is one of the worst policies enacted by a democratic polity in the 20th century, and has been wrecking the state for decades.
terminalshort [3 hidden]5 mins ago
So do you believe in democracy or not? And I do not mean this as a loaded question because the value of democracy is a legitimately arguable point. If the majority of Californians want caps on property tax, then I do not see a good argument that they should not get it that is also compatible with democracy.
thomassmith65 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If you put a question to the electorate like 'should we tax only people whose last name begins with an X, Y or Z?', it's liable to pass.

Nobody really advocates for Direct Democracy. It isn't viable: 'tyranny of the majority' etc.

Most Western governments are Liberal Democracies - where some issues aren't subject to a vote - partly so that the mob can't persecute outnumbered subgroups.

biophysboy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Democracy can mean a lot of things: direct, representative, etc. Voting for yourself is different from voting for your constituents. Ideally, the latter will also consider community effects.
drecked [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Democracy != Direct voting.

It’s never meant that.

So people can “believe” in Democracy just fine and still think direct voting is bad.

Also, Democracy doesn’t even mean “if a majority of people believe X, therefore X”.

Gud [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Having some random vote is hardly direct democracy, though.

Parts of the US is mature enough to implement a similar system as Switzerland, which has a superior form of democracy.

asdff [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Prop 13 is a nothingburger. Median homeownership period in california vs nationally is only like 2 years longer. It shouldn't be affecting costs that much in other words since median property is back to market rate every 15 years or so.

And what costs are we talking about anyhow? Tax shortfalls for local government? Decades later that has been rectified through other taxes and funding mechanisms and we still get new roads and schools in california. Housing costs increasing? I would say the fact that cities today are zoned within a few percentage points of present population levels (vs zoned for 10x present population levels pre 1970) is the actual source of that sucking sound from the chest.

mystraline [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Prop 13 isnt bad. Its all the money pumped in to political advertisements that turn this from "1 person, 1 vote" to "1$, 1 vote".

And that goes to the heart of the matter, that corporations aren't people, no matter what some court or law says. And they should be heavily restricted on speech. (I include spending money on political adverts and similar.)

Humans can commit crimes worthy of the death penalty. Wells Fargo shouldn't exist due to their decade long fraud. Nor should United Health Care, for actively denying humans their health coverage until the humans died. Or countless other cases.

When a company gets "killed", and all assets get assigned to the wronged, I'll start to believe they are humans. Haven't seen that yet. Likely won't ever, in the USA.

mothballed [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Courts can just overturn direct vote anyway like they did prop 8.
Daishiman [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Power exists whether you like it or not and when power gets away from decisionmaking you just generate a power vacuum.

Power needs to be placed in the hands of better decision-makers. That starts from getting money out of politics.

CodingJeebus [3 hidden]5 mins ago
What is money if not a proxy of power? If money didn't buy power, no one would be interested in attaining billions in wealth.
limagnolia [3 hidden]5 mins ago
What is politics if not a means of exercising power? If there were no power in politics, no one would be interested in politics.
RobotToaster [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That power is supposed to be exercised to enact the will of the people, for the good of the people.
CodingJeebus [3 hidden]5 mins ago
How does a government without power work? How do you take power out of the process of governing?
cess11 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
"no one would be interested in attaining billions in wealth"

Sounds good to me.

terminalshort [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They are obviously related, but it is a very loose correlation. If a billionaire (who does not pay me) gives me an order I will laugh in his face. If a traffic cop gives me an order, I will comply.
TFYS [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> (who does not pay me)

You're answering a comment saying money is power by saying that it isn't if it's not used?

Even if the billionaire doesn't pay you, they can pay someone else to force you to do what they want.

terminalshort [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Who is he going to pay an how is that person going to force me to comply?
mystraline [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Pinkertons. And the US national guard.

Its happened before, over labor disputes and unionization.

A LOT of people died, both in anti-union and union sides.

And thats why we have, well, had, the National Labor Relations Board. It was to make a peaceful way to negotiate worker rights.

Maybe if it did go away completely, and the violence comes back, that people in power would be reminded WHY we had union structure and law in the federal government to begin with. It wasn't for the warm fuzzies.

bigyabai [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Once you figure that out, get to work on the flying pig.
terminalshort [3 hidden]5 mins ago
How do you define "manipulate" here?
femiagbabiaka [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This is an underrated point because the U.S. failure to rein in the excesses of the ultra-wealthy is not just impacting our domestic politics but actually the politics of every country on earth. Imagine if Jack Ma had eventually personally intervened in U.S. congressional elections? That's pretty much exactly what U.S. oligarchs do to other countries regularly.
terminalshort [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You are using a lot of obfuscated and loaded language. What, specifically, are the "excesses of the ultra-wealthy" that need to be reigned in? What do you mean by "personally intervened in U.S. congressional relations"?
femiagbabiaka [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'm commenting on one such excess. Here is another: https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/31/elon-musk-2026-elec.... The Nazification of X and federal subsidies for Elon's companies are another. There are many more examples.

s/relations/elections/ -- because Elon et. al don't just intervene in the elections of the country they live in, but actually any country he's interested in -- and uses the U.S. as a bludgeon in that effort, see U.S.-U.K. and U.S.-South Africa relations

terminalshort [3 hidden]5 mins ago
How is Elon's editorial control of X something the government needs to (or even should have the power to) "reign in?" How is that not freedom of the press just like the owner of the New York Times having editorial control over his newspaper? Same goes for his donation to the PAC. What is the nefarious activity they are engaged in? Why are they not allowed to exercise their freedom of the press in the same way as any other company?
xyst [3 hidden]5 mins ago
System is broken af. Politicians don’t want to reign in on campaign financing because it will hurt their own re-election and campaign fundraising.

Republicans have bought/installed the SCOTUS which allowed for favorable decision in Citizens United v FEC.

This corporation dominated landscape is quite awful. Corporations have more rights than woman right now.

terminalshort [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Citizens United was the correct decision. I don't understand how you can legitimately restrict political activity. The constitution contains the right to petition the government for redress of grievances. Why should certain groups of people not have this right? The constitution also contains the right to freedom of the press. Why should the government get to decide who gets to exercise this right?
andy_ppp [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Every other country on earth has spending limits, the constitution isn’t perfect it’s being dismantled by the current regime.
oulipo2 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Exactly.

We should tax billionaires away.

bpodgursky [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If rich techies had too much influence in California, the state government would not look like what it does. I mean I just don't see how you get to this opinion after any real review of the evidence.
andy_ppp [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You cherry picked California which is very much an outlier compared to the rest of the country? Are you denying the effect of money affecting political outcomes, the rich wouldn’t spend their money on media and PACs if it didn’t work would they?
refulgentis [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> I mean I just don't see how you get to this opinion after any real review of the evidence.

Graybeard here: took me a while to get it, but, usually these are chances to elucidate what is obvious to you :)* ex. I don't really know what you mean. What does the California state government look like if rich techies had even more influence? I can construct a facile version (lower taxes) but assuredly you mean more than that to be taken so aback.

* Good Atlas Shrugged quote on this: "Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think that you are facing a contradiction, check [ed.: or share when you're in a discussion] your premises."

supjeff [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I agree with you, in spirit, but I think the true issue lies elsewhere.

Rich people can spend money to influence elections, yes, but how can they do it? through political donations, super-pacs and bribes. Bribes are already illegal. political donations and super-pacs can give politicians the juice they need to get their messaging out, but getting the message across isn't enough to win an election. The people need to vote. Billionaires can spend as much money as they want to support candidates, but a billionaire still only has one vote to cast.

My point is, billionaires can pay for all the political campaigns in the world, but the electorate gets the final say. It's up to us to A) run for office and B) vote for the best candidate (but tell that to the 64% turnout in the 2024 presidential election)

diggyhole [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Garry has tweeted about the violence his peers have had to endure in SF so I don't blame him for putting his money where is mouth is.
CyLith [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Perhaps he should reflect on why they deserve this violence, instead of giving people more reason for violence against him.
bhouston [3 hidden]5 mins ago
He is probably going after Ro Khanna, who comes across as a pretty decent rep (he and Massie got the Epstein files released):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ro_Khanna

Based on this warning from Garry to Ro re: wealth tax

https://finviz.com/news/277038/y-combinators-garry-tan-warns...

So this appears to be all about the wealth tax and taken down anyone who supports it.

AIPAC is also mad at Ro so it seems that Garry Tan can find common cause with them:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1GRXZqcQiU/?mibextid=wwXIfr

zozbot234 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
A wealth tax is a great idea if your goal is to make everyone a whole lot poorer especially in the longer term, and not very much otherwise. It's pretty much saying that you want pure populist envy to be the priority, over and to the detriment of long-term prosperity.
khuey [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Ironically Ro Khanna was the tech backed candidate a decade ago when he ran against Mike Honda.
givemeethekeys [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Where does the money go? Facebook and Google ads?
bhouston [3 hidden]5 mins ago
A lot of it does. And it also goes to companies making inauthentic social media content. This is what modern election campaigns are.
RobotToaster [3 hidden]5 mins ago
How many AI deepfake companies has y-combinator invested in?
tw04 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Which would be hilarious if it weren’t so infuriating.

All they can talk about is how they’re all going to leave the state if it happens, but then are more than willing to try to spend more stopping it than they would just contributing their fair share in taxes.

Don’t like it? Great, leave - but stop trying to buy elections.

CuriouslyC [3 hidden]5 mins ago
YC is always talking about how important SF is (due to hand waiving reasons like "innovation environment," I would find it highly ironic if a wealth tax was all it took to get top YC people to abandon the state.
kadabra9 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Everyone loves deciding what their "fair share" of other people's net worth (not even income!) is.

Sorry, but the state just confiscating 5% of someone's net worth (unrealized or not) is absolute madness, and rightfully opens up questions about slippery slope, how "temporary" they claim this to be, and so on.

It's not surprising they are leaving the state or using their resources to try to stop it.

bhouston [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Your statement is ignoring the systematic growing inequality in the US between the ultra wealthy and everyone else. And the use of those funds to influence politics (because of Citizens United, etc) to create polices that benefit themselves - it is for the ultra wealthy a virtuous circle:

https://inequality.org/facts/wealth-inequality/

This is not a normal state of affairs.

kadabra9 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This tax would do effectively nothing to address growing inequality between billionaires and everyone else.
learingsci [3 hidden]5 mins ago
A wealth tax is not an obviously great idea. It’s worth having a better public debate on that topic.
bhouston [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I bet Garry Tan will find that going after him for the wealth tax won’t poll well so he will find a different angle. Thus it won’t be a debate about a wealth tax, it will just be the standard make your opponent look bad in order to unseat him.

For example: https://nypost.com/2026/02/01/us-news/stunning-number-of-cal...

terminalshort [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Ok, so what is the problem here? Why can't Gary Tan engage in standard political activity like anybody else? This is his fundamental right as a citizen of a democracy.
sa-code [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I’ve heard about a borrowing tax as an alternative, because that’s when paper money becomes spending money

I would love to see that discussed

terminalshort [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I want to do some improvements on my house. So I take out a home equity loan. Oops! Actually since my house is worth $500K more than when I bought it, now I have to pay $100K to the government since the gain is now realized by using the asset as collateral!
pbreit [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The only reasonable argument I can think of is that the fantastic wealth accumulated at the top was substantially driven by the $37 trillion of debt the USA finds itself in. And it needs to be clawed back somehow.
asveikau [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I feel like public discussion of this has been outgoing since around 12 years ago when Thomas Piketty's book came out.
mattmanser [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I don't really see any other solution, can you explain it?

The ultra-rich are taking too great a share of every nations wealth. And they keep taking more.

Taxes are the only option to redistribute wealth.

Or are you talking about enabling strong unions and anti-monopoly laws with teeth to reverse the growth?

As I doubt Garry's in favour of that either.

8note [3 hidden]5 mins ago
oof, that incidentally also means he's about hiding the epstein files and avoiding accountability for its villains
Computer0 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Praying for Garry's downfall used to be a hobby of mine but these days it seems like it will take up less of my time as he has become aligned with my other enemies, reducing my number of enemy agents at play at any given time, or at least the number of attack vectors they have on me.
techbro92 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This reads as completely schizophrenic
hersko [3 hidden]5 mins ago
There is a certain type of person whose brain is completely broken by the internet. Hope OP finds help.
curiousgal [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I thought it was hilarious, a tongue in cheek
vincentjiang [3 hidden]5 mins ago
hate to see that tech leaders getting into politics
spicymaki [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Well on the bright side it's a complete mask off moment for the tech community. I think it is good for these people to expose themselves to the public. They will show you who they really are if you let them.

“If the broad light of day could be let in upon men’s actions, it would purify them as the sun disinfects”. -- Louis Brandeis

skybrian [3 hidden]5 mins ago
For one person in the tech community. And apparently he was already "out?" (The article does into his history in supporting political causes.)
pbreit [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Why is that?
diggyhole [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Or do you hate that their politics don't align with yours?
shimman [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Everyone should hate people that believe in undemocratic principles.
CamperBob2 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Hot take: what has democracy done for us lately? Besides re-electing Donald Trump?

If something can't go on forever, it will eventually stop. That applies to any system that gives stupid people the same political voice as the rest of the electorate. I mean, it seems kind of obvious, doesn't it?

amarcheschi [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Ask yourself which class can gain something by having trump as president rather than any other democrat

(it's not the working class)

saubeidl [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Their very existence doesn't align with my politics, or any decent person's politics for that matter.
pbreit [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Smart, successful people offering products and services that lots of people want does not align with your politics? What are your politics?
saubeidl [3 hidden]5 mins ago
People extracting value from labor to enrich themselves at the expense of society and then using those riches to further corrupt society, to the point where a few dudes own most of the country does not align with my politics.

That's why I'm a socialist and I would invite anyone who thinks things might not be going in the right direction to consider that as well.

estearum [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Nah, I don't even know what Garry's politics are. I hate that there's so much money in politics in general.
diggyhole [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Fair enough.
micromacrofoot [3 hidden]5 mins ago
it's that their money buys outsized influence and erodes the concept of democracy
ajross [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'd prefer to see more of them do so, personally. That said, to watch Tan wading into a local fistfight about school curriculum and housing zoning and whatnot in the age of ICE abduction, targetted political prosecution and wanton macroeconomic regulatory chaos seems... frustrating.

I mean, I kinda agree with him about most of the centrist stuff. But really, Gary? This is what you need to be spending your money and time on?

bhouston [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Garry seems motivated by being against a wealth tax and this is also likely the reason other ultra rich people will donate to his dark money fund:

https://finviz.com/news/277038/y-combinators-garry-tan-warns...

terminalshort [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Wow. So it's not even good enough that he agrees with you. You demand that he also prioritizes in the same order as you?
davidw [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Setting aside the merits of this, complaining about big money in politics while your site proudly displays a Twitter link is a bit of a face-palm.
touwer [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Money is like poison in politics
0gs [3 hidden]5 mins ago
shouldn't we call this bright money
nektro [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> “I want to work to ensure Californians know the importance of investment and entrepreneurship to our state’s current and future economy,” Tan wrote.

I know a dog whistle when i see one, didn't have to read much further but did anyway.

Spivak [3 hidden]5 mins ago
At this point it's just boring to have another rich asshole using government to protect their own interests. There's no substance or principle to it, it's just whatever policies makes CA more favorable to other rich assholes.
learingsci [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Save us, please!
rvz [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This looks concerning but I'm withholding judgement for now so that he can clarify this first on his side instead of jumping into conclusions.
driverdan [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Every single article I looked at seems to be generated from a tweet. The latest is a blatant attempt at promoting one of YC's privacy invasive investments Flock: https://garryslist.org/posts/atlanta-solved-35-homicides-wit...

That tells you all you need to know about how trustworthy the site is.

johnea [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Well, this is helpful.

Now I can refer to this list to let me know who, and what, to vote against...

seattle_spring [3 hidden]5 mins ago
He's been posting extremely stilted political content lately, in addition to unchecked AI evangelism.

I really, really hate that our future has ended up in the hands of people like him, Andreessen, Thiel, Musk, etc.

drcongo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Cool.
text0404 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
"Garry's List" is just straight up AI slop. This is a window into the coming AI-enabled era of astroturfing from wealthy individuals for their pet causes.
piker [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Guess we know where those 15KLOCs/day went.
saubeidl [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This won't end well for the oligarchs. Just ask the Ancien Regime or the Zar what happens if you keep pushing too hard.
SirensOfTitan [3 hidden]5 mins ago
To me, tech entrepreneurship looks more like some form of "lemon socialism." It feels more centrally planned than ever, and a company's success has much more to do with your relationships with capital than anything else. It's why we're seeing so much money invested into a bunch of similar takes on AI. Founders with a real vision of the future aren't really accepted into VC that has almost wholly accepted the FOMO strategy of investment.

I used to hold a lot of respect for Paul Graham and his essays, but I've realized his stances on things are pretty elementary, and largely come back to his ego or wealth management. People like Graham and Tan don't seem to really care about human flourishing, and they certainly don't seem to have any coherent vision of the future. Graham, like Andreessen, was technically good enough during a veritable tech gold rush, and Graham's lieutenants like Tan and Altman were lucky more than anything--just in the right place at the right time versus having started anything of value.

I am *absolutely* cynical and jaded when it comes to tech nowadays, so no need to call me out there. These people remind me of the high modernists, that tech will solve all problems, and we don't have to care too much as to how we solve those problems. Just handwave, and AI will solve all problems. But I think how we solve problems matters, and the entrepreneurship meritocracy that Tan and Graham allude to does not exist, and it never did.

I just find it abhorrent that while 15% of American households are food insecure, a company like Anthropic spent millions on a superbowl ad just lamenting OpenAI's ad strategy. Or that the Trump administration dropped a FTC case against Pepsi and Walmart for colluding to price out grocery competition. Or that Facebook and Google have been shown to have pushed for apps to addict people to their slop content. Or that tech capex this year alone rivals the Louisiana Purchase or the amount America spent on building out the railroads[1].

We're not solving the right problems because capital is entirely disconnected from the every day reality of Americans in this country. But by all means, let's aim to replace 50% of white collar workers with AI and handwave that prices will come down.

[1]: https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/ai-spending-tech-companies-compa...

jacquesm [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's pretty simple: you don't get to that kind of wealth without having a few screws loose in the ethics department. There are some exceptions but they are just there to confirm the rule.
rrkajh [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It won't work. The Trump admin has so thoroughly betrayed its voters that independent voters no longer want anything to do with billionaires like the all-in people lying to them for 4 years before an election.

You had your chance, it is gone now.

xyst [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Garry Tan desperately wants to become Elon Musk/Peter Thiel so badly. Quite pathetic.
phendrenad2 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's way too early to fix California. The average California voter, which HN is a good sampling of by the way, really believes that California is fine, and that there's no corruption or grift, and that they can tax billionaires more without them simply leaving the state (because CA is magical and unique (it's the 4th largest economy in the world, don't you know!) and they'll come crawling back to be a part of it). It's going to take awhile for people to change. As the saying goes "science progresses one funeral at a time". People put ideology above the evidence in front of their eyes. (That "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command" Orwell quote is making the rounds, which is ironic because most people don't need a party to tell them to disbelieve uncomfortable facts!) We have to wait for a new generation to grow up with the visible corruption to fully internalize it. Then it can be fixed. I can't help but think that Tan's efforts would be better spent trying to get a startup scene going somewhere where you can park your car without getting the windows smashed.
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nebezb [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I can appreciate you defending his character. The parent comment was not constructive.

I’m no fan of Garry’s, but this doesn’t seem like a hit piece to me.

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diego_moita [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Among the many weird things that the U.S. have but real democratic countries don't, the most promiscuous of them is this flow of private money into politics.

Campaign financing, U.S. style, is just legalized bribing. In any healthy democracy it would be illegal. In the U.S. is just the way things are.

ergocoder [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Back in my country, the bribes are illegal and mostly untraceable.

Money will go into politics. Nobody can stop this, and it should be out in the open and traceable.

Obviously, no bribe at all is the best, but is this happening anywhere?

mtrovo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Watching things from outside, it feels like the US is a pay-to-win democracy. It's hard to say where exactly the line between lobbying vs. corruption is drawn.
rasengan [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I don't know if I agree or not with his views, but the fact that he's moving from complaining about something, to doing something about his beliefs, has convinced me to move from a negative to a significantly positive view of him, as a person; to reiterate, regardless of whether I agree with said views.

The will to fight for what one believes in - I think we can all agree that is an admirable human trait that would result, for those who do follow his views, in him being labeled as a hero and defender of people's rights.

Bravo, Garry.

elliotto [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Bravo Garry, net worth $x00m, having the integrity to go after public school teachers.
amarcheschi [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Mussolini moved to doing something different after directing the socialist journal Avanti

It just wasn't for the wellbeing of the rest of Italy what he did

mhitza [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You know it just polarizes, and nothing more, when bringing up fascists as a counter argument when it is not punctually relevant.
amarcheschi [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'm not making a comparison, the opposite. Saying that "somebody doing something for its beliefs is good period" means nothing
woah [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The Mission Local is a good source for hyperlocal Bay Area news, but it does have a strong SF leftist/progressive political tilt in most of its articles, and Gary Tan is a favorite boogieman for these types. Here's what they have to say about his malign influence in the article:

> But the operation is also a media venture: Garry’s List started with a blog pillorying public-sector unions as “special interests,” attacking the ongoing teachers’ strike, and denouncing the proposed billionaire tax.

- Public sector unions are special interests. This is a plain fact.

- The current teacher's strike in San Francisco, even if it succeeds, will only push the district into insolvency, prompting a state takeover. The state will then cut much more aggressively. Maybe this would be a good thing though, although probably not what the union intended. Advocates of the strike are literally demanding the district spend its reserves on a couple years of raises.

- I'm certainly no billionaire, but the proposed tax will do nothing more than push the extremely small and mobile group of billionaires to take their business elsewhere. It's unlikely to raise tax revenues over the long run.

BugsJustFindMe [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> the proposed tax will do nothing more than push the extremely small and mobile group of billionaires to take their business elsewhere

This is often claimed but has yet to be shown to actually be true. Billionaires want to live in the nicest places with the best amenities just like everyone else.

But let's pretend for the moment that it is true. Good. Billionaires are not a net positive influence anywhere.

biophysboy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The last two points might happen - how do you know? I often see "it will backfire" as a counterpoint w/o any evidence.