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Tell HN: Happy Thanksgiving

I’ve been a part of this community for fifteen years. Despite the yearly bemoaning of HN’s quality compared to its mythical past, I’ve found that it’s the one community that has remained steadfast as a source of knowledge, cattiness, and good discussion.Thank you @dang and @tomhow.Here's to another year.

658 points by prodigycorp - 166 comments

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topaztee [3 hidden]5 mins ago
11 years here (more without a user), HN has consistently been the top sites i visit everyday.

thanks all and happy thanksgiving!

jetsnoc [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Sixteen years here, and the half-life decay of this community has been slower than anywhere else. That takes real, consistent work, and we have been lucky to have it. Through good times and rough ones, including the loss of Aaron Swartz (who I only knew of through HN), this has stayed a place for real conversation.

The grit, curiosity, and people building things have always been inspiring.

Thanks for all the discussions over the years.

Happy Thanksgiving!

randycupertino [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Ten years for me! Came because my partner sent me an interesting thread, stayed because of the interesting articles and thoughtful comments from people who actually know what they're talking about.
raphman [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Thanks HN! I regularly open HN during lectures. There is no better way to show my students what software engineering entails and why I focus on certain topics.

Is SCRUM really as great as its evangelists claim? Let's read HN comments.

What are good use cases for UML? Let's check out HN.

Does anyone actually care about CoCoMo or CMMI? Let's read ... oh - nearly nobody's talking about it there. Maybe it won't be that relevant to the students.

swyx [3 hidden]5 mins ago
shoutout to Algolia who maintains HN Search for these usecases
colechristensen [3 hidden]5 mins ago
>What are good use cases for UML? Let's check out HN.

Are there good cases for UML outside the raison d'être of middle managers circa 2007?

abustamam [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The startup I work for is pretty flat. There's the chief product officer who is actually pretty technical, the chief technical officer, and engineers basically.

We use UMLs and flow charts in miro to diagram things from both a high level (for product to understand) to intricate details.

It works great!

colechristensen [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Nerds!

(but seriously, I'm interested it's just everything I've seen before had the strong scent of "we're doing this nonsense because we believe we're supposed to but don't understand why")

JoshTriplett [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Having architecture diagrams is not fundamentally a bad thing, and standardizing the conventions for them is not fundamentally a bad thing. I think the thing that gave UML a terribly bad name was the cavalcade of early "zero code" or "low code" tools trying to turn your UML diagram into code; those were terrible.
colechristensen [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Drawing things on whiteboards to see the architecture, absolutely.

The more formalism it has and the more it was insisted on was always a strong signal that was was happening was a middle management cargo cult and not actually useful work.

I believe that there exist organizations that derived value from this sort of thing, I just haven't seen them.

camelcars [3 hidden]5 mins ago
10 years here! I don't remember how I found out about HN, but I've been reading this since A-levels. I didn't understand much back then, and was just browsing around.

10 years past, and now working as a software engineer, at least I understand a bit more.

batrat [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Almost 12 years of HN. I'm still a lurker, I'm sorry I don't contribute more, but I don't have much time and reading HN with a coffee in the morning is the best thing I can do. Thx everyone involved <3
vismit2000 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You need not be sorry for not contributing. Thanks for being here. HN is a place for learners and people who improve their lives by knowledge and building awesome user-centric products can make world a better place for others as well!
drewnick [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Same here - 12y. I've learned so much and one day hope to contribute back something significant to the community but haven't found a footing just yet.
mbreese [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You don’t have to contribute something significant. I don’t think it’s about how much one contributes, or now important it is. If you have an opinion - give it. If you have a question - ask it. If you have a criticism - tell it (respectfully). I often get the most out of HN when I’m asking questions. The best part about this place is that people answer them. Or gives you the background context that wasn’t in an article.

This post is a good start!

block_dagger [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Grateful for the intellectual curiosity and respectful debate on this board. Has kept me coming back nearly every day for over a decade.
A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
^^7

cheers to all you glorious bastards. i disagree with you on most things and quibble over pettiest crap, but know it is all in good fun. we are prolly in the weirdest point in computer history and get to see it make it through ( or not.. either is fine ). its a secret, but those annual affirtation are one of my favorite traditions.

here is to all the fun convos yet to come.

jazzejeff1 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I’m thankful for this place and this sentiment. As a young programmer I never imagined having this erudite enclave, capable of maintaining a level head during difficult days. Here’s to having community…and I agree with about half of what y’all say, because I’m aggressively anchored at the average. :)
kyledrake [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I've had an HN account for 17 years now. This is one of the last good places left on the web for intelligent conversation, and pretty much the last place I even want to post comments anymore honestly. Thank you @dang for the hard work on maintaining that. Hopefully this site can continue to be a bastion in an increasingly dismal social media environment.
Donald [3 hidden]5 mins ago
My account is just a week apart from yours. Neocities is an excellent project btw, glad to see your passion for the web shine through it.
fragmede [3 hidden]5 mins ago
All of us old timers coming out for this one, eh? Also, when did I get so old?
kyledrake [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'm hoping I'm only at the halfway point in my life. So many cool and interesting things have developed in my existence, and there are so many more cool and interesting things to come! Looking forward as I have for the last 17 years to reading about them on HN as they happen.

Not sure what I would tell my young self back in the 90s first. Self driving cars, LLMs that can fix bugs I've been trying to fix for 12 years. Maybe I would start with "Linux distros where you don't have to manually compile 15 random dependencies to run a single piece of software".

anonu [3 hidden]5 mins ago
12 years for me... young by comparison. But I was on slashdot in the late 90s if that counts.
Natsu [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Fifteen here, I think I found it by searching to see if a different Hacker News was still around (it wasn't) but I wasn't disappointed and stayed.
jeddawson [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving! 10+ solid years as a near daily HN lurker :)

Be sure to give your parents (and other seniors in your life) a phishing and subscriptions checkup this weekend!

https://edisoncode.com/articles/holiday-phone-safety-guide-f...

sndean [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving and I hope you had (or are having) a good day. Or if it wasn’t good—stressful, tiring, etc.—here’s to hoping for some great sleep.

I don’t remember kids being out of school for so long around Thanksgiving when I was younger. All I can hope for is eight hours of sleep after a full week of childcare. I guess I’m most thankful for teachers and schools being open.

tombert [3 hidden]5 mins ago
A decade for me. HN has cultivated a much better community than virtually anywhere else on the internet. dang and tomhow are awesome.
MinimalAction [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving! This is the only site that passes my threshold for signal-to-noise ratio. I genuinely learn from discussions here. It humbles me to be on the same webpage as some of the most knowledgeable, ambitious, thoughtful folks across the globe. Thanks everyone for your active participation.
trevor [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Been here 18 years. Almost never comment, but I come back everyday for the insightful comments. Thank you @dang for the great moderation and thank you to great HN community.
drewchew [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Definitely grateful to have this site and appreciative of the people that make it what it is. I check in multiple times a day and always find something new (or at least new to me), interesting and frequently useful!
AstroNutt [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. I'm new here and lurked for a year or so before posting. This is the only site I visit multiple times a day. It's kind of addictive.

To me, it's such a unique place with so many intelligent minds and great conversations. I wish I'd have found this place years ago.

sameersegal [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving! I have been here at least for the last 12 years. I open the website at least twice a day - once in the morning when starting work, and once late evening before logging out for the day. The mantra I follow is that if something doesn't trend on HN it's not worth paying attention to.

Initially, I would only click on the links and jump off HN but over the last few years I have been more interested in the comments and the discussion.

Thank you everyone one for such a great community!

breckinloggins [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Holy cow... I signed up to HN 18 years ago. I am more of a behind-the-scenes guy in the tech world so I don't know most of you but I've enjoyed participating in this community over the years.

I hope you all have a Happy Thanksgiving; here's to the next 18 years! :)

Inviz [3 hidden]5 mins ago
In these 15 years, HN was a website that shaped me and my worldview. It's a social circle that inspires me and broadens my perspective.
adamredwoods [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving / Happy post-Cranberry day!

Also: National Day of Mourning for some Native Americans

https://muwekma.org/blog/2023/september/what-does-thanksgivi...

hmokiguess [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I’ve been a long time lurker (7 years now I think) and finally made an acccount. Thanks HN. You bring joy and enthusiasm to this hectic World Wide Web we all share. The distributed asynchronous town square I never asked for! <3
clbrmbr [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Huge thanks to the mods and YC for creating this space. HN is legendary in its own time. Hoping @prodigycorp and the result of us can enjoy another 15 years of thoughtful hackish conversation and news.
stack_framer [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving! I've been here just five years, but it's my main source for discovering interesting things in this world. Thanks to everyone who makes positive contributions here.
picardo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy thanksgiving all. In an era where algorithms on other platforms seem optimized for outrage and engagement bait, I'm grateful for HN's optimization for curiosity. It's one of the few places left where I can open a thread on a topic I disagree with and actually expect to have my mind changes -- or at least understand the opposing view better -- by the top comment.
zkmon [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Just completed 7 years on HN. This is the only social network I'm active on (if you don't count whatsapp). Awesome folks and amazing discussions!!
fcoury [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Wow, that made me look:

> Joined 17 years ago

skeptrune [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'm very thankful for @dang and @tomhow keeping this site such high signal to noise ratio. It's a great place to spend time on the internet :).
photon_lines [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving everyone -- I've mostly been a lurker here over the last 20 years and I'm thankful for being able to interact with such a bright and vibrant community full of thinkers, doers and explorers -- you guys definitely changed my life for the better and inspired me in many, many ways.
reactordev [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Where else will you be able to have discussions with PhD’s, entrepreneurs, leaders, doers, and specialists in literally every field?

No where but here.

rsynnott [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Horrifyingly, my account appears to be eighteen years old.

The mythical utopian HN past never existed.

jacquesm [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Hehe. You must be new here ;)
vavooom [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving y'all! Also grateful for this community!
ForOldHack [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Over 6 years here, and another two lurning: Thanks for the absolute brilliant insights, and plenty of laughs.

Thank you all. Thank you for laughing at my jokes.

Happy Thanksgiving

kylecazar [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy thanksgiving!

I've lurked even longer than I've been a user... Probably about 15 years. It's been fun to watch several generations of kindred spirits join the party. For the most part, I think they assimilate, so the spirit of HN remains strong while new perspectives are added to the mix. It's still one of the best communities around.

Thanks to the mods and all of you!

zmj [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Thanks, mods. As a moderator of a relatively popular WoW forum back in its heyday, your work is seen and appreciated.
mindcrime [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Seems weird to say, but I've been posting here for seventeen years now. And in that time, can I say that the quality of the discourse has slipped some? Well... if I'm being honest, probably yeah. A little. But at the same time, I can still honestly say that HN is still easily the best community of this sort on the 'net, at least that I'm aware of. OK, Lobste.rs has some merit, but the problem there is that the community there is arguably still a little too small, and you just don't get the variety and volume of interesting discussion you get here. But the level of discourse is high there as well.

Anyway, I find HN to be a wonderful refuge from a lot of the absurdity that's "out there" and I will happily throw in my own "Thanks, guys!" to dang and tomhow. And to pg for starting this whole thing back in the day.

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone, and here's to more years to come!

mettamage [3 hidden]5 mins ago
17 years? Damn, that's a mindcrime!

Relatable by the way. Though, not 17 years, haha, "just" 10 :')

anteloper [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Thankful for @dang and this community. Happy thanksgiving
huherto [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Eighteen years here. I am not American but I think this is a holiday that we can all celebrate as reminder that we should be grateful for what and specially for who we have, independently what we don't have.
ilamont [3 hidden]5 mins ago
A fellow 18-yearer here. I am very grateful for the discussions and insights and expertise and recollections I see every day from all over the world.
culanuchachamim [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Almost 4 years here. Thank you all! Thanks to the creators of the site. Thanks to the ones that maintain the site. Thanks to the ones that moderate the conversations (that do an amazing job).

And special thanks to all those that have the fire of truth and curiosity that keep alive this great community!

Thank you.

crims0n [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving to all, thankful for this community - it’s one of the few places left on the internet I can visit each day and learn something genuinely interesting or useful.
awaaz [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I think it is safe for me say that HN has had a very large role in moulding my personality. A left-leaning atheist who loves computing and is often at odds with the current zeitgeist in India, I find my true home behind a computer screen.. Slashdot was my original initiation, and I moved to Hacker News rather late after a successful YC application. Not much of a contributor, but everyday starts with at least half an hour spent reading the comments here (who RTFAs anyway huh?).

Thank you all. Without you, life would've been much simpler, but not better!

Cheers!

treetalker [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Thank you all for challenging my beliefs and giving me a world to explore outside the law.
mikewarot [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's been 6 years for me, and I've learned quite a bit here. HN remains one of the few places I hang out on a daily basis.
Vaslo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I often get more excited about the commentary and what I’ll learn from interesting experts in the HN comments than the original link itself. Thanks to all who contribute their thoughts here.
awaseem [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Pretty new poster, but I learn so much from HN. Great way to curate and see amazing stuff
guiambros [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving @dang, @tomhow, and the HN community! Almost 17 years here, and it's hard to overstate how much I learned from y'all.

Through tech cycles, heated debates, and some inevitable fads, the limitless curiosity of this community remains inspiring. Thank you mods and YC for staying true to the original hacker ethos.

dawnerd [3 hidden]5 mins ago
17 years and it’s been the best site I use daily. Thanks to everyone keeping this place pleasant!
mise_en_place [3 hidden]5 mins ago
HN has been a kaleidoscope of the human psyche. idlewords dissing pg, Michael o' church's rants, Terry's slow break into insanity, etc. I'm thankful above all that this place still exists.
regera [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Thank you, been a rough year (mentally, financially) - super grateful to everyone here on HN!
dang [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Here's to a good next year.
GaryBluto [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I've only been participating for a few months (lurking for much longer) and I've got to say HN has been the best news aggregation experience I've ever had. I hope to be here for many years to come!
uzername [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Lurking, occasionally commenting, rarely posting. I've read HN everyday since I started working in the industry since March 2016. I appreciate what HN is and the shared culture.

Thanks all, and have a great day.

TheAceOfHearts [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Merry Thanksgiving everyone! And a special thanks to the mods for helping to maintain such high quality discussion over the years.
ChrisMarshallNY [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Only been here five -point- five, but it's already far outlasted my tenure at other venues.

For non-Americans: Thanksgiving is a big national holiday in the US; celebrated on the last Thursday of November.

Its origin story is that a bunch of recent immigrants were having a rough time of it, and were helped by aboriginal Americans.

What happened after ... well, that's another story.

It's a big "family" holiday. Americans travel all over, to gather with their families at the Gorging Table.

siva7 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
what happened after the pilgrims were helped by those nice people?
ChrisMarshallNY [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I won't get into it, but it's not difficult to figure out.

> "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man."

- Mark Twain

mpalmer [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Thankful for the overall balance this site still manages to find between diversity of viewpoint and civility. It gets spicy sometimes, but I like it that way.

Hope everyone's year finishes better than it started.

calvin [3 hidden]5 mins ago
17 years here (wow). I don’t post much but I get a lot out of this site and it’s one of my few daily reads. Grateful for the site, its mods, and the contributors.

Happy Thanksgiving!

TheAtomic [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Grateful for all the people here who make this world a little better all the tiem.
tevon [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This thread, in and of itself, demonstrates the incredible quality of this community. Thank you to all of you, and especially to @dang and @tomhow for thanklessly holding us all together.
vyrotek [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving!

Been here 17 years. Crazy to think about how much has happened since then.

amruthreddi [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Thanks HN for being awesome. Grateful to you all, @dang and @tomhow. Learning something new every day for over half a decade now.
unkeptbarista [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving all.

Mostly a lurker. Been here over 10 years, but created my HN account 9 years ago. HN has been an invaluable source for me over they years.

ompogUe [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Thank You !

Couldn't get green beans, so had to pivot and made Green Pea Casserole.

xarope [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy thanksgiving all. Switched from ./ to HN and haven't regretted a single day. Hope you all have a great one!
cm2012 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
19 years here. Been a big part of my life - grateful for showing me a window into a totally different world ever since high school.
toomuchtodo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Thanks Dan, Tom, and the others who keep this a place that still brings joy and satisfies the curiosity brain itch.
jbot27 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I am very grateful for this site and community.
vivzkestrel [3 hidden]5 mins ago
reminds me of arthur saying "no one said they were thankful for me" every single thanksgiving day lol
amerine [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I can't believe I've been around these parts for 17 years... Thank you for the inspiration to take a look at my join date. I feel the same as you about the discussions here, there is always a level of depth (and silliness) that I appreciate about the banter and interactions here.

Here's to 17 more! <3

s_c_r [3 hidden]5 mins ago
15 years here too. I turn 40 today. Grateful for this community. I quit social media years ago but still enjoy the discourse here.
cmckn [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy birthday! I hope you have (at least) another 40 of health and hackery :)
chops415 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving HN
hilti [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Just looked it up: 14 years already and very proud to be a part of this community. :-)

Happy Thanksgiving

peterclary [3 hidden]5 mins ago
14 years here. Thanks @dang and @tomhow.
ls-a [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Why does't HN respect requests to delete accounts? That doesn't seem so nice as a community. I know they give an excuse, but... I have to admit though I did find a job on here once so it is somewhat useful, but I'm not Stockholm Syndrome-ish about it
mchusma [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I am thankful for the HN community. Coming here since 2011 :)
owlninja [3 hidden]5 mins ago
9 years and it's the website I check daily more than any others! Happy Thanksgiving!
ScottishGandhi [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving!! 12 yrs of learning and lurking. Amazing community!!
Etheryte [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Unrelated question, but I thought cattiness meant to be rude? Or maybe I misunderstand what you mean with how you use the word?
prodigycorp [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I meant cattiness!
dswilkerson [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving everybody!
internet2000 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Thanks Dang your a LEGEND
jimt1234 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving! ... I just wanted to express my gratitude to the Commodore 64 personal computer I received as a Christmas gift in 1982 (or maybe '83?). I didn't know it then but it set the course for the remainder of my life. I just wanted another device to play video games (Atari 2600 was over), but once I discovered "programming", playing video games turned into tweaking, cracking and even creating video games. I was in 6th grade; I used to stay awake until the dawn, even on school nights, programming and trading games (300 baud modem on a single phone line). My grades dropped, but thankfully my Mom didn't care; she knew what I was doing and how much I was learning. Honestly, many of the basic concepts I use today I taught myself when was I was 12 years old on the Commodore 64. So, thank you, Commodore. You're 64KB computer impacted my life more than, probably, anything else in my life.
kraddypatties [3 hidden]5 mins ago
been lurking for most of my adult life (and it shows :-))

Thanks HN! You make me smarter every (other) day.

sqircles [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Thanks for all of the hootin' n' hollerin' over the past ~decade or so.
bytearray [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Nostalgia is a heck of a drug. :-)

Happy Thanksgiving!

vishalontheline [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!! =)
dofdial [3 hidden]5 mins ago
12 years. first time commenting this hour.
LorenDB [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I feel compelled to point out that your account is almost 5 years old (although it could be an alt), and it has several previous comments associated with it, including some in 2023.
thanksgiving [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!
Minor49er [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'm certainly thankful for Hacker News!
gitprolinux [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving!
iancmceachern [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I had to check, I'm at 8 years, stay awesome HN'ers!
unkulunkulu [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Hey, community! Thank you for this opportunity to connect and feel closeness to the best parts and people in our industry.

Thank you for your open mindedness, smarts, stupid fun and lovable nerdiness.

I feel at home here.

One thing that makes me sad are dystopian fears. Not sure if this is warranted or not, but certainly get my dose of dread from HN. But thank you for being so sensitive and caring in this.

Happy thanksgiving.

drfeanki [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Here for ~15-16 years through various accounts. HT
tumidpandora [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving to all! love HN!
stonking [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy thanksgiving!
ianred [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Thank you, happy Thanksgiving.
thr0waway001 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Thanks you Lord for the food.
pizlonator [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy thanksgiving y'all! :-)
keepamovin [3 hidden]5 mins ago
10 years. Happy Thanksgiving!
LPisGood [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy thanksgiving everyone!
ryandv [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Been lurking since 2011 or so. Dare I say that the average level of discourse has finally fallen to a level where I feel comfortable participating after over ten years of just reading.

That being said HN was and continues to be one of the most valuable resources for geeks on the net.

_u0u9 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
<3
alhazraed [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving!
jadenPete [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving, HN!
fuzzfactor [3 hidden]5 mins ago
For those of you who don't celebrate Thanksgiving, wishing you a delcious Southern pecan pie anyway, and more!
nailer [3 hidden]5 mins ago
18 years. The site has become a hotbed of political discussion recently, and I do wish the manual unflagging was stopped, but other people are right when they say that Startup News/Hacker News has remained relevant for far longer than other sites that started around the same time. The only one I can think of that stayed relevant for that long is Ars Technica.
travisgriggs [3 hidden]5 mins ago
But ARS is not what it used to be. Sadly. The content is still decent, but not the forum so much. My arrival at HN nearly 8 years ago was about when I wasn’t seeing community there anymore.
qntmfred [3 hidden]5 mins ago
happy thanksgiving y'all :)
dyauspitr [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It’s not the same account but I realized I’ve been around since 2009. Time flies! Happy thanksgiving everyone.
moomoo11 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I’m thankful for tech
jasonlotito [3 hidden]5 mins ago
18 years here. Happy Thanksgiving!
chrisrickard [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Another 15-yearer here too! Thank you HN, and for all the work you do @dang and @tomhow
RickJWagner [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving!

Use this day to eat good food, converse with relatives, and rest from the usual madness. Peace on Earth.

danishSuri1994 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy Thanksgiving, HN!

I’ve been more of a lurker than a poster over the years, but this place has shaped how I think about tech, work, and the future more than any other corner of the internet.

Huge thanks to @dang, @tomhow, YC, and everyone who shows up here with curiosity and good faith. The signal-to-noise ratio here is still unmatched.

Here’s to many more years of weird, smart, opinionated conversations.

burnt-resistor [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Before the self-congratulatory toxic positivity gets too far out of hand:

https://nmcsw.org/indigenous-resilience-thanksgiving-story/

genius101 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
[flagged]
tomhow [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Nobody has covered up uBiome: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

And it's always been HN moderation policy that we intervene less on negative stories about YC or YC-backed companies than other stories: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Even if we didn't have that policy, “suppressing” a story on HN doesn't keep it out of the news, so it would be futile to do that.

We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46066132 and marked it off topic, because it's never ok to be a jerk about deceased people.

cactusplant7374 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
What Aaron Swartz did to himself was tragic, but he did decide to break the law. Something that is glossed over here.
dang [3 hidden]5 mins ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46066132 and marked it offtopic.
cactusplant7374 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You would do that. You're so unethical. Remember when you covered up uBiome?

https://www.ycombinator.com/companies?query=ubiome

dang [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Of course we didn't:

YC-backed uBiome is basically Theranos-lite - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30899352 - April 2022 (173 comments)

SF poop-testing startup, once compared to Theranos, charged in $60M fraud scheme - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26531087 - March 2021 (380 comments)

UBiome Offices Searched by FBI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19760449 - April 2019 (56 comments)

Many more: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

The interesting thing is why this (false) accusation appears now, years later. I don't recall people saying it at the time, which makes sense because it was obviously untrue.

arcanemachiner [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I consider it to be part of the hacker's spirit to bend or break unjust laws when the situation calls for it.

So I wouldn't gloss over the specific law(s) he broke, so much as I would outright celebrate that he did so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerilla_Open_Access_Manifesto

cactusplant7374 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I think anyone can be a hacker. Anyone can break any laws. But to kill yourself over it? It's in the extreme. I don't believe law enforcement has to take the blame for that.
neilv [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The only reference to Swartz that I see in the parent comment is:

> Through good times and rough ones, including the loss of Aaron Swartz (who I only knew of through HN), this has stayed a place for real conversation.

And the rest was just upbeat talk in general.

Unless the parent comment was edited, I don't understand why you responded:

> What Aaron Swartz did to himself was tragic, but he did decide to break the law. Something that is glossed over here.

By "here", I assume you mean "HN in general", but your comment comes off as loaded (e.g., "did to himself" sounds like a conscious attempt at asserting a framing), and the timing seems poor (i.e., that particular innocuous comment, on this particular day).

WhyOhWhyQ [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I hope you hold the same contempt for every tech company and their "rules only apply to the poor" attitude about copyright.
ryandv [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'm going to break the law right now and watch some illegally downloaded movies. MPAA RIAA FBI CIA NSA come at me
MangoToupe [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If we had a thousand more people like him, maybe this world wouldn't be such a shitty place.
neilv [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Take heart: there are a lot of people like Aaron Swartz. Of course you'll find them in proportionally fewer numbers, when you look somewhere that attracts with money/power.
colechristensen [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Laws are necessary evils. Zealotry in the application of law helps absolutely no one and is one of the evils the necessity of laws creates.

Aaron Swartz deserved, at worst, a slap on the wrist, not the kind of severe harassment in the name of the law which he got.

zozbot234 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
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hamdingers [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That's every day.

Today we do that, and eat turkey.

mettamage [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Wasn't Thanksgiving a practice before people came to the US? The US now does it, but they didn't start it. I only know it because I'm Dutch and I wanted to see if the Dutchies were somehow involved (because they are way more often than they should be). Here's a source I quickly found but there are many sources on it [1].

There's more to Thanksgiving than only the US.

[1] https://www.iamexpat.nl/lifestyle/lifestyle-news/how-netherl...

volkk [3 hidden]5 mins ago
this always gets brought up, but realistically no one ever cares or brings this up from the perspective of celebrating American origins, but rather just a reminder to be thankful for things in your life that matter to you. I don't see the problem with this
zozbot234 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> realistically no one ever cares or brings this up from the perspective of celebrating American origins

It's still a very common narrative that's historically been an integral part of the myth around this holiday. And it's simply a fact that the Wampanoag and other tribes of the Eastern U.S. even to this day dedicate what we call Thanksgiving as a National Day of Mourning; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day_of_Mourning_(Unit... A similar memorial gathering is held on Alcatraz Island: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unthanksgiving_Day

FullMetalBitch [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's a day some people in the US don't have to work so I think that's something worth celebrating
VWWHFSfQ [3 hidden]5 mins ago
North American natives were exterminating and enslaving each other long before the Europeans got there.

Nobody has anything to be proud of.

AlotOfReading [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The term "slave" encompasses a lot of wildly different kinds of unfree labor. The racialized system most people think of from transatlantic slavery is a very recent thing.

Nothing resembling that was widespread in precolumbian North America. The earliest similar systems I'm aware of took root in the 17th and 18th centuries, well into the early colonial period.

VWWHFSfQ [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Research what the Iroquois did to the Huron people, what the Apache did to the Pueblos, and what the Aztecs did to everybody.

The continent what a slaughter show for thousands of years.

AlotOfReading [3 hidden]5 mins ago
What I said was a much more precise statement than "there was no violence". Nothing you've mentioned is a counterexample.

The slaves of early 17th century Iroquois were not dehumanized property like colonial era natives and Africans. This is what I meant by pointing out that the term "slavery" encompasses a vast number of radically different types of unfree servitude.

The Apache example is both not similar to Atlantic slavery, and mainly from the 18th century period where I specifically said such systems existed among North American natives.

If you're trying to make a point about the racial hierarchy within the Aztecs, the term Mexica is much more precise. If you're just referring to the slave social class within the empire itself, I can't imagine why you think it's remotely similar to colonial slavery. Aztec slaves weren't property in the sense of colonial era slavery. They had to consent to sale, only their labor was actually sellable, and it wasn't hereditary, among other differences.

macintux [3 hidden]5 mins ago
While it was (mostly?) unintentional, the biological warfare committed by Europeans makes for a different story than anything that happened before they arrived. The Americas weren't a paradise, but neither were they a slaughterhouse.
coolThingsFirst [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Happy thanksgiving american bros, don't get too fat.

It’s funny what passes as humor in europe is crass for others.

abraxas [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They invented Ozemipc. Restraint is unamerican.
mrbombastic [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Utopia is nigh.
fellowniusmonk [3 hidden]5 mins ago
flavortown is adjacent.
chasil [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Why did I only see this yesterday?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sOsqXKr4l30

ppqqrr [3 hidden]5 mins ago
not for the indians.