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I invited strangers to message me through a receipt printer

283 points by chrisdemarco - 104 comments
ValdikSS [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I wrote a CUPS (Linux) printer driver for Xiqi cheap ($10) Chinese label printers if anyone interested

https://github.com/ValdikSS/printer-driver-funnyprint

I use it to print barcodes, and it's very handy compared to serious enterprise printers: it's lightweight, battery-powered, and works over Bluetooth.

b0rbb [3 hidden]5 mins ago
There was a REALLY cool project by the design firm Berg in the UK about ~13 years ago. Cute little thermal printer with online services that allowed you to have scheduled printouts of things like weather reports, horoscopes, etc.

And... oh my goodness, I was looking for pictures of it and it turns out some kind person decided to put work in on having a way to do onprem services for it! [Check it out here](https://nordprojects.co/projects/littleprinters/)

wackget [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> The team at Berg invested a lot of time developing the visual language and aesthetics of Little Printer, across the physical device and their web service.

Shame they didn't bother to invest any time in making sure their expensive devices wouldn't end up as paperweights. Seriously, it's infuriating that they were lauded for the creativity of this project but it's fallen to hobbyists and volunteers to engineer an entire suite of software to make this dead hardware work again, just because the initial developers were either too lazy, too shortsighted, or too restricted by bean-counters to develop open source (or at least self-hostable) software for these machines. You can't even change the server address of these things without hardware flashing and risking bricking your hub.

dylan604 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I know someone that this would be perfect for, but sadly too niche to have survived. It's a neat idea being able to get little "tickets" for various daily tasks for those that do better with those types of things compared to using a digital calendar
aosaigh [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I remember wanting the Berg printer but it was crazy expensive
fragmede [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Yeah we unfortunately are spoiled with mass manufacturing. If they'd been popular enough for them to make a million Berg printers, the price would have been more in line with what we expect.
djhworld [3 hidden]5 mins ago
There's something quite pleasing about writing a message and living, at least, with the thought of it causing some physical action (printing) in the real world. I mean, for all we know Andrew probably ran out of printer paper hours ago so the message has gone into the ether, but it's nice to think it happened at least!
kristopolous [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I've fantasized about fax phone banks for artists to send things out periodically.

The idea of a machine unexpectedly popping out a sheet of paper has gone from "this is all spam" to delightful again.

Physical items in a physical space whereby you call a place and not a person.

We've digitally moved from spaces to individuals and I think that's the main critique of the modern web: somehow networked ourselves but abandoned the networking of ourselves.

You could even do it all digitally somehow and just hook it up to a modern network printer. Whitelisted senders get printed while unrecognized ones enter a digital backlog.

The real desire is to explore the psuedo anonymous nature of the early web in a way that is robust to abuse.

wholinator2 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I think the key point that would make this delightful is the whitelist. Lord knows the moment its opened up it'll be spammed with the worst things bored teenagers can find.
intheitmines [3 hidden]5 mins ago
If you do this be sure to buy BPA free receipt paper

Handling receipt paper is what turned out to be the cause of the high BPA numbers when boba tea was tested https://x.com/natfriedman/status/1899641377002025252

aschmelyun [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I did! I also use gloves when handling a large amount of the receipts.

I worked as a cashier for years in my teens and twenties though, so it’s probably already in my blood.

NewJazz [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I mean, over time it would exit right?
Ultimatt [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It lingers in fat tissue and once at a low enough level your liver doesn't really clear it. But that kind of level isn't necessarily linked to increased risks of diabetes or heart disease.
contrarian1234 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_A#Health_effects_and...

"In the 2010s public health agencies in the EU,[81][82][83] US,[84][85] Canada,[86] Australia[87] and Japan as well as the WHO[12] all reviewed the health risks of BPA, and found normal exposure to be below the level currently associated with risk."

If it has some health effects, they've been incredibly hard to actually pin down..

hellcow [3 hidden]5 mins ago
“Normal exposure” is doing some heavy lifting in that sentence. Presumably having all your daily texts arrive on such paper wouldn’t be “normal exposure,” which if I recall correctly is handling a receipt for a few seconds a day with only your fingertips.
thousand_nights [3 hidden]5 mins ago
this one time when i was young and dumb and into smoking weed, i remember running out of rolling paper so i rolled a joint using a supermarket receipt i had and smoked it

this was like 20 years ago, still makes me shudder after i learned about the BPA stuff

trenchpilgrim [3 hidden]5 mins ago
A few years ago my friend's mother started using medical marijuana for pain management. My friend had to explain that no, you should not make a pipe out of a coke can because of the plastic liner, go to a head shop and buy a glass pipe like a normal person!
CaptainOfCoit [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> you should not make a pipe out of a coke can because of the plastic liner

I'm fairly sure it doesn't make much of an health impact considering the hot smoke you pull into your lung, but when I was kid and we made pipes out of cans in "emergencies" we'd use the outside of the can as where you put anything with fire, you don't have to turn it inside out to be able to smoke out of it.

brailsafe [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> we'd use the outside of the can as where you put anything with fire, you don't have to turn it inside out to be able to smoke out of it.

This is what I pictured, but now I'm curious how you'd use the inside of the can.

CaptainOfCoit [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Some stoner-engineering could hook up two cans with each other, one is the cup you use for burning the material and the other one the "water-passageway". Obviously not recommended as there is plastic liner on the inside, but in that way you could use the inside :) Basically a bong in two pieces made out of two cans.
trenchpilgrim [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Heating up plastic gives off all kinds of really nasty organic compounds, far worse than the drug... doesn't need to be direct flame.
cenamus [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Heating plant material also gives off lots of carcinogenic stuff, tar and so on
trenchpilgrim [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Cheeseburgers are bad for you, but you shouldn't put motor oil on your cheeseburger...
CaptainOfCoit [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You win some, you lose some :shrug:
cluckindan [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Fun fact, that extremely thin paper used in bibles is usually hemp paper.
vscode-rest [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Genesis 1:29, anyone?
abdusco [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's Genesis 4:20, you silly
userbinator [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The products of combustion you inhaled are likely far worse.
brailsafe [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I mean... the weed was going to get smoked, it was definitely the receipt that was the foreign invader here.
scotty79 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
The fact that you did something intentionally doesn't automatically make it less of a mistake.
fgbarben [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You do know that BPA-free just means they use BPS or some other bisphenol plasticizer, right? Right? Because all of the research was focused on BPA and nobody tested BPS even though they're quite similar chemically.

You just can't polymerize plastics without a plasticizer. It's just not allowed by chemistry. No free lunch.

If you want something that's not going to leach huge amounts of plasticizers onto your fingers, use an inkjet or a laser toner printer or a laser marking machine.

They don't really make those for receipts, though, because fingers tend to be wet and powdered toner is expensive.

MrGilbert [3 hidden]5 mins ago
There are alternatives like Blue4est available, though. They don’t use bisphenol or other chemical developers.
wilted-iris [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Any recommendations on where to source BPA-free thermal paper? I've tried to source BPA free shipping labels in the US and found them unobtainable.
foresto [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I wonder if the author is aware of the health effects of handling thermal paper.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5453537/

jodrellblank [3 hidden]5 mins ago
> be me

> live in city

> breathe vehicle exhaust and tire dust everyday

> drink alcohol

> drive to my desk job

> live on ultra processed food

> salt and sugar for a treat

> better not touch this piece of paper - for my health

> open another Monster energy drink (tm). I can sleep when I’m dead.

__turbobrew__ [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Pretty much. Same thing with microplastics: sure it may be bad for you, but the average modern lifestyle includes so many other things that we know are much worse (smoking, drinking, factory food, sedentary, soda, …)
flobosg [3 hidden]5 mins ago
BPA/BPS-free thermal paper exists; both chemicals are banned in the EU.
hagbard_c [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I suspect the author, like nearly all of us here will get more exposure to BPA from handling supermarket (etc.) receipts than from this gimmick.
SoftTalker [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I typically decline those.

Thermal paper was widely used for fax machines and portable printers years back as well.

aschmelyun [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Worse: I worked in grocery stores for years as a cashier lol
SoftTalker [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I did too but the printers were still dot matrix with ink ribbons then.
Wistar [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I rarely see thermal printers at grocery checkouts. Almost all that I see are ink.
ryukoposting [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'm pretty sure I ate some as a bet in high school.
joshu [3 hidden]5 mins ago
receipt printers are a blast. at one point i was livestreaming chatgpt talking to humans via a printer: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cr04ofLsxtl/

at the time, the openai API and the printer max speed capped out at roughly the same time and would use up an entire roll in ~ 10 minutes. if you didn't wind the paper back up it would fill a whole garbage bag.

MomsAVoxell [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I have a clockworkPi dev console which has the built-in printer, and it has always been a 'quaint' accessory, but lately I have been looking at it with glee and wondering what strange and fruitful things I could do with it .. the first is of course a zine, for which it is the perfect printing device .. just carry it with me, print out this months issue, stable the whole sizzle together and duct-tape it in some random loo somewhere, as deserves all good zine format ..

So, yeah, there could also be a window of opportunity by which other readers of the zine could send their own message to be included in the distribution channel (i.e. the bog roll) and things could propagate.

Well, I guess the point is, that suddenly I think that receipt printers are really the only printer I want to deal with, ultimately. I've gotta stock up on rolls.

codazoda [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I love zine’s. There are tens of us. :)
DrawTR [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I've wanted to make a project w/ a receipt printer for a little bit now. Does anyone have any good suggestions for printer models?
kleinishere [3 hidden]5 mins ago
For the many posters recommending BPA free paper - does anyone have suggestions / a link for a reliable seller?

I looked on Amazon after another receipt printer post on HN but couldn’t find anything that provided confidence in the BPA characterization. ULINE is quantities are absurd for personal use. Imagine their most be a decent alternative but never see any named.

toomuchtodo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
https://www.pca.state.mn.us/business-with-us/bpa-and-bps-in-...

(scroll to "Use alternative receipt paper": "Companies that offer phenol-free alternatives")

fukka42 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
(US-only)
toomuchtodo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Where do you need it outside the US? I will attempt to source.
kleinishere [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Phenomenal. Thank you.
haruka_ff [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I have a Star Micronics receipt printer and have a similar setup, and when people in my community used it, it was fun.

And the issue is that, it's only fun as long as you have people using it...

I did write a StarPRNT protocol library for it, but in hindsight, I probably should have used ESC/POS instead.

ben-gy [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That’s awesome - I did a similar thing recently by replacing my sticky notes with receipts - https://github.com/ben-gy/thermalnotes
a_t48 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
My wife has a little thermal camera (Vivitar Instant Camera) that she takes to parties and events. The picture/print quality is a bit better than a gameboy camera, certainly not HD, but also fractions of a cent per picture rather than a dollar like you'd pay for a Polaroid. Fun stuff.
jopsen [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I bought some for my nephews (age 3-4), it's a lot of fun, because it's instant physical feedback.

Also if you buy a pack of BPA-free paper rolls, you get a crazy amount of pictures for $20. Granted you'll have to re-roll them into smaller rolls to fit the camera.

Animats [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Somebody did that back in the 1980s. They put a small printer into a phone that had the same form factor as a Western Electric model 500.[1] This connected to a PBX and printed "While you were out" slips. It was a real product, but did not catch on. Anyone remember that thing? I saw ads, but never one in person.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_500_telephone

aschmelyun [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I have a rotary phone, a voip adapter, and have been writing a local SIP server for another experiment. I am insanely tempted to replicate this.
Animats [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Why not, as a fun thing?

The problem with a production product is refilling all those little rolls of printer paper. They will always run out when no one is available to answer the phone, of course.

derwiki [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Which rotary? Classic AT&T?
James_K [3 hidden]5 mins ago
His printer prolly blowing up right now.
bwoodward [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'd love to have an impact receipt printer for this so I don't have to source thermal paper etc.

They aren't difficult to find, but they're too expensive for a stupid project like this, which is a glorified fax machine.

cartoonworld [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Maybe the fax machine is a glorified receipt printer?
demetrius [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Russian writer Leonid Kaganov had this idea back in 2021, with an added twist that he also put the printer in his bathroom: https://lleo.me/dnevnik/2021/11/30
hshdhdhehd [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Doesn't know his 3 shells
why_at [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'm surprised they didn't mention anything about preventing spam. The biggest thing that deters me from doing something like this is the idea that not long after I opened it up it would get hammered by bots so much that it would make the whole thing unusable.
aschmelyun [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Hey it’s me, the author! That was intentional as I honestly enjoy the trolling.

There’s a basic rate limiter set up to prevent misuse, and a character limit, but beyond that I just kind of wanted to see what people would send.

It’s been surprisingly chill, and I’ve only had to handle a few nonsensical text dumps or garbage messages.

codazoda [3 hidden]5 mins ago
How does the rate limiter work? IP?

Maybe tangential, but I just added a little 3-second delay to my stats counter. I’ll find out if that worked for the specific bots I’m trying to avoid in a couple days.

I might have to do this with my printer the Raspberry Pi 400 in my bedroom.

maxrev17 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
We did this at uni - hpmprinter on twitter and it was on GitHub as twinter :)
maxrev17 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
liqilin1567 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It's kind of nostalgic and make me curious: Were there many magical things like this in the early internet days.
toomuchtodo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I love all of the HN receipt printer posts, keep them coming please. There is something delightful in this analog experience.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

(if you build yourself, source non-phenol [made without BPA/BPS] thermal paper rolls)

MomsAVoxell [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Yes, the use case of receipt printers is really intriguing .. (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45698598) .. I find myself wondering what other simple micro-printing things might be worth the effort. The offline nature, the anonymity of the reader - this makes it an appealing media, suddenly, in the storm of digital life.

In my case, I will probably try to use my receipt printer as a zine production line. The nature of the format inspires some great article writing ..

toomuchtodo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Something to note is the impermanence of the final product, as thermal paper does not have longevity (only ~1 year). I have not found a similar solution (printer + media with a similar form factor) where the print lasts longer, so open to suggestions for such use cases. I suppose in the short term, including a QR code in the print job that links to a perma/deep link online might work from a publishing perspective for bookmarking purposes.
derwiki [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I really have fallen for impermanent art. I display slide/color positive film on my windows. Yup they will fade and that’s totally ok.
NemoNobody [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Huh, that's very interesting. I've always considered Art to be timeless, bc it is, all of it. Davinci did a lot of cool stuff but the Mona Lisa made him the most famous person and I really don't see that changing. I have a painting hanging over my head rn whose artist died in the 1680s - the painting is over 100 years older than the Declaration of Independence and was brought over here on a ship with sails that took forever.

Impermanent art. That just bothers me.

An artist that dedicates their life to such a thing is like swimming in the fountain of youth without ever taking a drink.

NemoNobody [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Huh, that's very interesting. I've always considered Art to be timeless, bc it is, all of it. Davinci did a lot of cool stuff but the Mona Lisa made him the most famous person and I really don't see that changing. I have a painting hanging over my head rn whose artist died in the 1680s - the painting is over 100 years older than the Declaration of Independence and was brought over here on a ship with sails that took forever.

Impermanent art. That just bothers me.

An artist that dedicates their life to such a thing is like swimming in the fountain of youth without ever taking a drink.

igtztorrero [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Message sent from igtztorrero wonderful day
ok_dad [3 hidden]5 mins ago
This is really cool! I sent you an (hopefully) uplifting message for the week’s end. I know I shouldn’t but I really want to buy a receipt printer now!
derwiki [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They are well within the impulse buy zone, and it’s really easy to programmatically use with Python. Do it!
ianbicking [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I have wanted to do experiments with a receipt printer hooked up to a Raspberry Pi, with some simple controls... but every time I look up the cost of the printer I balk. It's probably not fair, but I guess in my head it feels like they should be cheaper. Or at least the cost then makes me question how much time I'm really ready to put into stuff like debugging the printer drivers and putting together a case, etc etc.

The thing I actually want to play with is probably some kind of board game that incorporates the printer... ideally with bar/QR codes so the computer can print out money, IOUs, instructions, etc., and have this computer mediation that still gives people physical items to manipulate.

aschmelyun [3 hidden]5 mins ago
While not an outright solution to the fact that they _are_ expensive, if you don't care about them being second hand or a little older you can score a pretty good deal on sites like eBay.

For instance, TM-T88V printers can do more but cost around 3x as much as the one I got, a TM-T88IV which is the older version. Not perfect, but beats the like $200 price tag brand new.

7839284023 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I recently bought a thermal ESC/POS printer for 25 Euros on Aliexpress but I saw the sames ones for 30 Euro on Amazon.

I connected it to my linux server and without any drivers I can print with e.g.: `echo "Hello World!" >> /dev/usb/lp0`.

It also supports bar/QR codes.

leobg [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You have a make/model/link?
7839284023 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
derwiki [3 hidden]5 mins ago
You can pick up a Rongta for $75 brand new
bstsb [3 hidden]5 mins ago
saw this project on TikTok when it went viral, love both the concept and implementation. the creator could easily overengineer something simple like this, but looks like the Pi stands up well with high load.

the only problem i had with the site itself was actually accessing it - TikTok doesn't "do" links so i kept having to check if i'd spelt their name right!

qwertox [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Wasn't there someone who had printers connected to the internet and a live video stream of the printers printing the messages?
wonger_ [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Good Enough did something similar: https://guestbook.goodenough.us/
brightbeige [3 hidden]5 mins ago
vayup [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I read the title as "massage me", and was very confused for a few seconds.
jader201 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Glad I wasn’t the only one.

But knowing the things that pop up on HN, something like remotely massaging someone via a receipt printer is totally believable.

I’m actually hoping someone reads this and creates a remote massaging receipt printer.

odysseus [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Anyone know where you can buy the wall map shown on the page?
jer0me [3 hidden]5 mins ago
It looks like this one from National Geographic: https://www.natgeomaps.com/re-world-decorator
aschmelyun [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That’s the one! Got it from a local B+N.
qwertox [3 hidden]5 mins ago
That is a good map. So many recognizable names. Not that I'd recognize many, but those which I've searched for, they were present.
bigbuppo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I did that once. Spammers found it within 15 minutes.
whynotminot [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Were you getting random text? Or actual targeted spam?

For some reason I find it really funny to potentially be getting printed out adverts for shady boner pills or singles near you.

ge96 [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I wonder if you can see what was sent by others
aschmelyun [3 hidden]5 mins ago
They’re being stored redundantly on a sqlite db. I’ll think about adding some kind of feed to the page if others are interested.

I don’t know, I kind of like having a place for some people to anonymously vent (as more than a few have).

toomuchtodo [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Consider a checkbox whether to be anonymous, which you can filter the feed with.
xandrius [3 hidden]5 mins ago
I'd love to see others!
chwonl [3 hidden]5 mins ago
Very cool
dudeinjapan [3 hidden]5 mins ago
For those interested I open-sourced library in Ruby which does thermal printing: https://github.com/tablecheck/thermal/

Among other things it has very broad printer support and Chinese-Japanese-Korean character support (requires purchasing a model with the chars preloaded). It's still under active development but it references the PHP library the author mentions. This lib is actually used in a many restaurants in Asia.